[civsoc-mw] Governance prize from Chatham House
trevor chimimba
trevorchimimba at gmail.com
Mon Nov 2 14:26:14 CAT 2020
Keyboard,
I guess you have no appreciation of what it means akamati “boma ndi anthu”! It is the people that make the constitutional order!
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> On Nov 2, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> They were protecting hewe povos as well as constitutional order. DPP cadets were hacking people right in front of the police. I don't think preventing DPP cadets from hacking hewe povos can be said to protect the constitutional order
>
>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 14:14 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>> KPD,
>>
>> MDF was protecting the constitutional order of the Republic.
>>
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>>>> On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:53 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> There is no need for MDF involvement in maintaining peace within the country, if the Police Service is professional and apolitical. If MDF behaved like our police the words of certain people in 1993 could have come to pass. Remember they were saying "democracy ndi nkhondo."
>>>
>>> We should recognise our MDF without waiting for outsiders. Many a country have seen no peace or democracy because of their armies. We are thankful for the role MDF plays.
>>>
>>> It's not their job to protect people within the country but where our police have failed, they have always stepped to the plate.
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 13:35 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> KPD,
>>>>
>>>> What do you think the role of the MDF is under the constitution? Kugawa masweet?
>>>>
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>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:31 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TC,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kodi watani? Be proud of the recognition. I noted that you don't even acknowledge MDF's role.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 2011 20 people lost their lives. Don't forget that. In all countries it is the army that prop up dictators and losers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please don't deflate the importance of the award and minimise the professionalism of MDF.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be in an island somewhere in Thucandra where you are oblivious of reality. People get awards for doing their job diligently. And don't tell us that you are more rational than those who saw it fit to award the Judges.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayiwala that people were imprisoned for no apparent reason in the years you went to school and varsity. You saw DPP demonstrating and insulting the Judges. They tried to vilify but ignored them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just keep your reservations. We are lucky that someone found himself stuck in UK otherwise he could have presented minority Judgement saying, "once sworn in a president can not be removed."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 12:38 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> KPD,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can believe whatever you want. That the award was for you or whoever. But that is not what the award says. Mwalandira nawo kalata inuyo?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2020, at 1:01 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was the second time MDF saved Malawi from Peter Mutharika.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In 2012 APM tried to steal the presidency while his brother was decaying in a plane enroute to South Africa as James Phiri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In 2014 he used "the system" to steal elections. In 2019 he tried to use "the system" only to realise, too late, tha Tippex leaves an indelible mark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2019 MDF protected demonstrators and Judges to save Malawi from Mutharika. If MDF was not professional and apolitical, all this could not have been achieved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 21:29 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am saying these kinds of awards are not meant for the judiciary. You are celebrating now because they came first. What if they were number 2 or 3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In our body politic, are they any more deserving than those “agitators and confusionists” that kept virgil as that fellow who wanted to steal their vote rushed to be sworn in and claim legitimacy while claiming falsely that the opposition wanted to bring chaos and civil war; than those lawyers who took a stab at challenging the outcome in the courts as people across the country listened an kept their hopes alive and braved the assault on their personal freedoms?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you see how politicised this whole thing is? No different from that award from that Sudanese billionaire
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is your problem? Is it that the award came from great Britain or that the judges don't need a positive stimuli? When you have kids coming late to school try giving those who come early some sweets. You will see a dramatic change for the better. Don't waste time whipping the late comers because over time they become used to being whipped. They would actually beg you to whip them in case you forget. The judges deserve a positive stimuli from whatever source.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 19:34 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just pause, take a breath and reflect upon what you have written.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is not surprising of course, for someone who thinks being called shithole countries is alright
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't give these awards to their supreme courts because good behaviour is already reinforced. But ours is different. Bad behaviour is the norm. So when good behaviour is detected it becomes an abnorm. It requires a reward. Over time you will see our justice system will align itself to good behaviours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 17:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kodi umayesa kukhala judge ndi masewera eti. Just check the requirements under our constitution. Reward for good behaviour my foot. These folks cannot dare to give such an award to their own Supreme Court I can tell you. It shakes the very foundations upon which the judiciary is founded: its independence.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is good to reward good behaviour. Such awards reinforce good behaviour. I am sure there could be magistrates and judges in other countries who have been motivated by such an awards. Doing good becomes second nature like using tooth brush in the morning. The judges, though they were doing their job, deserve a commendation. They did their job in a good way. They could have chosen to do the same job in a bad way. Law or justice is not an exact science. The 200 cars case should remind you of what I am trying to say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:33 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not commenting on the facts of that case. I have not read or heard enough to know what is happening in the courtroom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remain skeptical of awarding judges any awards about governance (corruption before fact and corruption after the fact deserve equal opprobrium!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact is judge tembo had no proof that anybody was receiving a bribe. He should have restricted himself on the transactions or conversations between himself and Mpinganjira. Hey I thought lawyers or judges would be judicious with legal facts. Now we know brown was the conduit thanks to this excited judge. I thought you would condemn such conjecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:17 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not mentioned any name. I do not know why you decided to mention Lovemore. The fact that we have a case such as this is scandal enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a little familiarity with the politics of awards...I stopped a long ago celebrating them. And please do not dare to offer me one. I will refuse it in your face.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Oct 31, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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