[civsoc-mw] Governance prize from Chatham House

Mon Nov 2 14:18:22 CAT 2020

They were protecting hewe povos as well as constitutional order. DPP cadets
were hacking people right in front of the police. I don't think preventing
DPP cadets from hacking hewe povos can be said to protect the
constitutional order

On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 14:14 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:

> KPD,
>
> MDF was protecting the constitutional order of the Republic.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:53 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> There is no need for MDF involvement in maintaining peace within the
> country, if the Police Service is professional and apolitical. If MDF
> behaved like our police the words of certain people in 1993 could have come
> to pass. Remember they were saying "democracy ndi nkhondo."
>
> We should recognise our MDF without waiting for outsiders. Many a country
> have seen no peace or democracy because of their armies. We are thankful
> for the role MDF plays.
>
> It's not their job to protect people within the country but where our
> police have failed, they have always stepped to the plate.
>
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 13:35 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> KPD,
>>
>> What do you think the role of the MDF is under the constitution? Kugawa
>> masweet?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:31 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> TC,
>>
>> Kodi watani? Be proud of the recognition. I noted that you don't even
>> acknowledge MDF's role.
>>
>> In 2011 20 people lost their lives. Don't forget that. In all  countries
>> it is the army that prop up dictators and losers.
>>
>> Please don't deflate the importance of the award and minimise the
>> professionalism of MDF.
>>
>> You seem to be in an island somewhere in Thucandra where you are
>> oblivious of reality. People get awards for doing their job diligently. And
>> don't tell us that you are more rational than those who saw it fit to award
>> the Judges.
>>
>> Wayiwala that people were imprisoned for no apparent reason in the years
>> you went to school and varsity. You saw DPP demonstrating and insulting the
>> Judges. They tried to vilify but ignored them.
>>
>> Just keep your reservations. We are lucky that someone found himself
>> stuck in UK otherwise he could have presented minority Judgement saying,
>> "once sworn in a president can not be removed."
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 12:38 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> KPD,
>>>
>>> You can believe whatever you want. That the award was for you or
>>> whoever. But that is not what the award says. Mwalandira nawo kalata inuyo?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2020, at 1:01 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> This was the second time MDF saved Malawi from Peter Mutharika.
>>>
>>> In 2012 APM tried to steal the presidency while his brother was decaying
>>> in a plane enroute to South Africa as James Phiri.
>>>
>>> In 2014 he used "the system" to steal elections. In 2019 he tried to use
>>> "the system" only to realise, too late, tha Tippex leaves an indelible mark.
>>>
>>> On 2019 MDF protected demonstrators and Judges to save Malawi from
>>> Mutharika. If MDF was not professional and apolitical, all this could not
>>> have been achieved.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 21:29 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am saying these kinds of awards are not meant for the judiciary. You
>>>> are celebrating now because they came first. What if they were number 2 or
>>>> 3.
>>>>
>>>> In our body politic, are they any more deserving than those “agitators
>>>> and confusionists” that kept virgil as that fellow who wanted to steal
>>>> their vote rushed to be sworn in and claim legitimacy while claiming
>>>> falsely that the opposition wanted to bring chaos and civil war; than those
>>>> lawyers who took a stab at challenging the outcome in the courts as people
>>>> across the country listened an kept their hopes alive and braved the
>>>> assault on their personal freedoms?
>>>>
>>>> Do you see how politicised this whole thing is? No different from that
>>>> award from that Sudanese billionaire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> What exactly is your problem? Is it that the award came from great
>>>> Britain or that the judges don't need a positive stimuli? When you have
>>>> kids coming late to school try giving those who come early some sweets. You
>>>> will see a dramatic change for the better. Don't waste time whipping the
>>>> late comers because over time they become used to being whipped. They would
>>>> actually beg you to whip them in case you forget. The judges deserve a
>>>> positive stimuli from whatever source.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 19:34 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just pause, take a breath and reflect upon what you have written.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not surprising of course, for someone who thinks being called
>>>>> shithole countries is alright
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> They don't give these awards to their supreme courts because good
>>>>> behaviour is already reinforced. But ours is different. Bad behaviour is
>>>>> the norm. So when good behaviour is detected it becomes an abnorm. It
>>>>> requires a reward. Over time you will see our justice system will align
>>>>> itself to good behaviours.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 17:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kodi umayesa kukhala judge ndi masewera eti. Just check the
>>>>>> requirements under our constitution. Reward for good behaviour my foot.
>>>>>> These folks cannot dare to give such an award to their own Supreme Court I
>>>>>> can tell you. It shakes the very foundations upon which the judiciary is
>>>>>> founded: its independence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is good to reward good behaviour. Such awards reinforce good
>>>>>> behaviour. I am sure there could be magistrates and judges in other
>>>>>> countries who have been motivated by such an awards. Doing good becomes
>>>>>> second nature like using tooth brush in the morning. The judges, though
>>>>>> they were doing their job, deserve a commendation. They did their job in a
>>>>>> good way. They could have chosen to do the same job in a bad way. Law or
>>>>>> justice is not an exact science. The 200 cars case should remind you of
>>>>>> what I am trying to say
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:33 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not commenting on the facts of that case. I have not read or
>>>>>>> heard enough to know what is happening in the courtroom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remain skeptical of awarding judges any awards about governance
>>>>>>> (corruption before fact and corruption after the fact deserve equal
>>>>>>> opprobrium!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The fact is judge tembo had no proof that anybody was receiving a
>>>>>>> bribe. He should have restricted himself on the transactions or
>>>>>>> conversations between himself and Mpinganjira. Hey I thought lawyers or
>>>>>>> judges would be judicious with legal facts. Now we know brown was the
>>>>>>> conduit thanks to this excited judge. I thought you would condemn such
>>>>>>> conjecture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:17 trevor chimimba, <
>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have not mentioned any name. I do not know why you decided to
>>>>>>>> mention Lovemore. The fact that we have a case such as this is scandal
>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a little familiarity with the politics of awards...I stopped
>>>>>>>> a long ago celebrating them. And please do not dare to offer me one. I will
>>>>>>>> refuse it in your face.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On Oct 31, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
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