[civsoc-mw] Governance prize from Chatham House

Mon Nov 2 14:37:59 CAT 2020

These are just words my friend. The MDF were protecting hewe povos from
being hacked by the same "anthu ndi boma". What happened to Amayi I would
certainly say it was protecting the constitutional order. I am glad you
appreciate there are evil people out there who feel it is within their
rights to break the constitutional order that needs MDF to protect.

On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 14:27 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:

> Keyboard,
>
> I guess you have no appreciation of what it means akamati “boma ndi
> anthu”! It is the people that make the constitutional order!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 2, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
> They were protecting hewe povos as well as constitutional order. DPP
> cadets were hacking people right in front of the police. I don't think
> preventing DPP cadets from hacking hewe povos can be said to protect the
> constitutional order
>
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 14:14 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> KPD,
>>
>> MDF was protecting the constitutional order of the Republic.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:53 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> There is no need for MDF involvement in maintaining peace within the
>> country, if the Police Service is professional and apolitical. If MDF
>> behaved like our police the words of certain people in 1993 could have come
>> to pass. Remember they were saying "democracy ndi nkhondo."
>>
>> We should recognise our MDF without waiting for outsiders. Many a country
>> have seen no peace or democracy because of their armies. We are thankful
>> for the role MDF plays.
>>
>> It's not their job to protect people within the country but where our
>> police have failed, they have always stepped to the plate.
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 13:35 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> KPD,
>>>
>>> What do you think the role of the MDF is under the constitution? Kugawa
>>> masweet?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:31 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> TC,
>>>
>>> Kodi watani? Be proud of the recognition. I noted that you don't even
>>> acknowledge MDF's role.
>>>
>>> In 2011 20 people lost their lives. Don't forget that. In all  countries
>>> it is the army that prop up dictators and losers.
>>>
>>> Please don't deflate the importance of the award and minimise the
>>> professionalism of MDF.
>>>
>>> You seem to be in an island somewhere in Thucandra where you are
>>> oblivious of reality. People get awards for doing their job diligently. And
>>> don't tell us that you are more rational than those who saw it fit to award
>>> the Judges.
>>>
>>> Wayiwala that people were imprisoned for no apparent reason in the years
>>> you went to school and varsity. You saw DPP demonstrating and insulting the
>>> Judges. They tried to vilify but ignored them.
>>>
>>> Just keep your reservations. We are lucky that someone found himself
>>> stuck in UK otherwise he could have presented minority Judgement saying,
>>> "once sworn in a president can not be removed."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 12:38 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> KPD,
>>>>
>>>> You can believe whatever you want. That the award was for you or
>>>> whoever. But that is not what the award says. Mwalandira nawo kalata inuyo?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 2020, at 1:01 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> This was the second time MDF saved Malawi from Peter Mutharika.
>>>>
>>>> In 2012 APM tried to steal the presidency while his brother was
>>>> decaying in a plane enroute to South Africa as James Phiri.
>>>>
>>>> In 2014 he used "the system" to steal elections. In 2019 he tried to
>>>> use "the system" only to realise, too late, tha Tippex leaves an indelible
>>>> mark.
>>>>
>>>> On 2019 MDF protected demonstrators and Judges to save Malawi from
>>>> Mutharika. If MDF was not professional and apolitical, all this could not
>>>> have been achieved.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 21:29 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am saying these kinds of awards are not meant for the judiciary. You
>>>>> are celebrating now because they came first. What if they were number 2 or
>>>>> 3.
>>>>>
>>>>> In our body politic, are they any more deserving than those “agitators
>>>>> and confusionists” that kept virgil as that fellow who wanted to steal
>>>>> their vote rushed to be sworn in and claim legitimacy while claiming
>>>>> falsely that the opposition wanted to bring chaos and civil war; than those
>>>>> lawyers who took a stab at challenging the outcome in the courts as people
>>>>> across the country listened an kept their hopes alive and braved the
>>>>> assault on their personal freedoms?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you see how politicised this whole thing is? No different from that
>>>>> award from that Sudanese billionaire
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> What exactly is your problem? Is it that the award came from great
>>>>> Britain or that the judges don't need a positive stimuli? When you have
>>>>> kids coming late to school try giving those who come early some sweets. You
>>>>> will see a dramatic change for the better. Don't waste time whipping the
>>>>> late comers because over time they become used to being whipped. They would
>>>>> actually beg you to whip them in case you forget. The judges deserve a
>>>>> positive stimuli from whatever source.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 19:34 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just pause, take a breath and reflect upon what you have written.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not surprising of course, for someone who thinks being called
>>>>>> shithole countries is alright
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They don't give these awards to their supreme courts because good
>>>>>> behaviour is already reinforced. But ours is different. Bad behaviour is
>>>>>> the norm. So when good behaviour is detected it becomes an abnorm. It
>>>>>> requires a reward. Over time you will see our justice system will align
>>>>>> itself to good behaviours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 17:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kodi umayesa kukhala judge ndi masewera eti. Just check the
>>>>>>> requirements under our constitution. Reward for good behaviour my foot.
>>>>>>> These folks cannot dare to give such an award to their own Supreme Court I
>>>>>>> can tell you. It shakes the very foundations upon which the judiciary is
>>>>>>> founded: its independence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is good to reward good behaviour. Such awards reinforce good
>>>>>>> behaviour. I am sure there could be magistrates and judges in other
>>>>>>> countries who have been motivated by such an awards. Doing good becomes
>>>>>>> second nature like using tooth brush in the morning. The judges, though
>>>>>>> they were doing their job, deserve a commendation. They did their job in a
>>>>>>> good way. They could have chosen to do the same job in a bad way. Law or
>>>>>>> justice is not an exact science. The 200 cars case should remind you of
>>>>>>> what I am trying to say
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:33 trevor chimimba, <
>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not commenting on the facts of that case. I have not read or
>>>>>>>> heard enough to know what is happening in the courtroom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remain skeptical of awarding judges any awards about governance
>>>>>>>> (corruption before fact and corruption after the fact deserve equal
>>>>>>>> opprobrium!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The fact is judge tembo had no proof that anybody was receiving a
>>>>>>>> bribe. He should have restricted himself on the transactions or
>>>>>>>> conversations between himself and Mpinganjira. Hey I thought lawyers or
>>>>>>>> judges would be judicious with legal facts. Now we know brown was the
>>>>>>>> conduit thanks to this excited judge. I thought you would condemn such
>>>>>>>> conjecture.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:17 trevor chimimba, <
>>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have not mentioned any name. I do not know why you decided to
>>>>>>>>> mention Lovemore. The fact that we have a case such as this is scandal
>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a little familiarity with the politics of awards...I
>>>>>>>>> stopped a long ago celebrating them. And please do not dare to offer me
>>>>>>>>> one. I will refuse it in your face.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > On Oct 31, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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