[civsoc-mw] Suspension of Registration of New Voters in Mangochi North East

Tue Sep 22 15:36:16 CAT 2020

those debating electoral laws might find this link of interest. apparently
it is national voter registration day in the US today.

https://nationalvoterregistrationday.org/

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 12:42, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Trevor,
>
> Is it so difficult to quote or post the section?
>
> My very first email I asked for relevant section. At one point you said it
> does not expressly state.
>
> People have told you that the Mangochi by-election is after nullification
> of results. Then you shifted to MSCA.
>
> An MP can die a day after elections and you say there should be
> registration of new voters again - just a day after an MP is sworn in?. Or
> you will say only if an MP leaves office after a minimum of 1 month then
> you have by-election that require new registration. I know there is a 60
> day period from vacancy declaration to elections.
>
> You discourse creates chaos.
>
> You deliberately mislead us by saying people register online as if they
> register to vote in a by-election. Trevor, that registration is nationally
> for all not for a specific by-election. Some countries update their voters
> register yearly. Not zanuzi
>
> Your view would encourage electoral fraud on a massive scale. People would
> be ferried from Mozambique or Tanzania to register for a by-election with
> no real means of verification. Dead people and kids would be registered.
>
>
> It's fun having this discussion. I now understand how Malawi gets messed
> up.
>
> I have been reading the electoral act. Voter registration in general
> elections is combined with by-election. It's updating and inspection
> indicates ONE voters roll which is inspected and verified by even
> international observers.
>
> You can Google Malawi electoral laws (final). Your notion that there would
> be different versions for the same constituency  is not right.
>
>
> I am unable to locate the PPEA. If you have a link paste it or you can cut
> and paste the relevant section. I am all eyes and ears.
>
> KPD.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 12:05 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> KPD,
>>
>> I am not talking about other countries. I am talking about Malawi (even
>> though i can give examples to the contrary of your examples). You must be
>> commended for doing the anecdotal survey of other countries. It is
>> surprising though that you cannot look at your own constitution, the
>> electoral commission act and the PPEA (it even defines “by election”). I
>> suggest that you check those out first, especially part III of the PPEA.
>>
>> It is possible to see nullification as giving rising to a vacancy (in the
>> sense that the vacancy those arose remains infilled) but it operates
>> differently in that it is basically a do over. You have the same candidates
>> and the same voters eligible. That is not the case with a by election.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2020, at 11:41 PM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Trevor,
>>
>> Your narrative is that countries that have always done that are wrong.
>>
>> I have a voter's card and I have participated as a voter in a general
>> election and a by-election for a council ward. Those who lose their voters
>> card are given a duplicate. No NEW voters are allowed.
>>
>> I am talking from experience and you are just assuming.
>>
>> A by-election is held due to a vacancy in a constituency or ward. The
>> reasons for a vacancy are numerous including nullification. So in your
>> opinion certain by-elections require additional new voters and others don't.
>>
>> Here is the British definition of a by-election;
>>
>> "A by-election is an election held in a single political constituency to
>> fill a vacancy arising during a government's term of office"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 02:00 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> KPD,
>>>
>>> Registration is envisaged in a general election, in a by election, in a
>>> referendum, etc. The law provides the periods within which such
>>> registration shall take place. This idea that registration only takes place
>>> every five years and the roll established remains the same in those five
>>> years is simply not supported by the law (except to that narrow extent as
>>> specified by the MSCA, ie in the case of annulment the voter roll remains
>>> the same as in the annulled election).
>>>
>>> Eligibility to vote and registering to vote are two different processes.
>>> The constitution guarantees one’s right to vote by setting down criteria
>>> when eligibility is instantiated. It cannot await the next general
>>> election.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2020, at 10:28 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Trevor,
>>>
>>> On the contrary, citizenry is guaranteed to vote every 5 years without
>>> fail. There is no guarantee of ever voting in between.
>>>
>>> The whole country has people reaching 18 years of age every day. Even
>>> for the main elections, registration is done more than 2 months prio
>>> election day. There are hundreds, if not thousands, who attain 18 years in
>>> the intervening period before the elections. They can't claim that they are
>>> left out unless you want to say registration should be done on the voting
>>> day so that no one turning 18 years should not be denied their right.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is unfair to claim to be giving the right to vote to pockets of
>>> people just because they are lucky to have a by-election. Let them wait for
>>> 5 years like any other voter in the country.
>>>
>>> There is no reasonable justification for having new registration
>>> everytime there is a by election apart from wasting of resources and
>>> enriching the MEC guys with unjustified allowances.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 13:25 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> KPD,
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary, we should be working towards credible systems where
>>>> the eligible citizenry (and others eligible to vote) can register at any
>>>> time. To achieve this would require decentralization of the systems.
>>>>
>>>> The regularity of an  election cycle has nothing to do with the right
>>>> to vote. Once one attains 18 they attain eligibility to vote.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:34 PM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Continuous registration to accommodate those who turn 18 shouldn't
>>>> apply to a by election or any election that is held within the 5 years. It
>>>> is for the next election main election i.e 2024..
>>>>
>>>> It is travesty of democracy to add new voters when the election is to
>>>> replace a member who may be deceased or who vacate the position for
>>>> whatever reason. New roll is compiled when parliament is dissolved.
>>>>
>>>> New elections are done every 5 years and so is voter registration.
>>>>
>>>> ALL people register and a voters roll created and inspected for the
>>>> election of parliament for a term of 5 years.  Those so registered have the
>>>> mandate to vote in an election in that constituency over that 5 year
>>>> period. That roll remains valid for 5 years. Only transfers and removal of
>>>> deceased from the roll is done should there be any election within the 5
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> If parliament is dissolved a new voters roll is created by registering
>>>> everyone.
>>>>
>>>> The registration of new voters, whether they have just turned 18 or
>>>> not, has been perpetuated because of ALLOWANCES. It is not provided for. It
>>>> has turned something that is basically illegal into normal.
>>>>
>>>> It is easy to go to court after a by election and argue that the wrong
>>>> voters roll with unknown names was used.
>>>>
>>>> As I have said, I am talking from what obtains in other countries. New
>>>> party members are recruited and registered for party primary elections if
>>>> there is a by election. However, such people can not vote in a by election
>>>> unless they were in the voters roll of the first elections.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2020, 20:59 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Look at the provisions of the PPEA relating to registration of voters
>>>>> and the power given to the EC in that regard.
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Maybach Woyee <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Mfana,
>>>>> > Which provision are you referring to?
>>>>> > MB
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