[civsoc-mw] Suspension of Registration of New Voters in Mangochi North East

Tue Sep 22 13:41:19 CAT 2020

Trevor,

Is it so difficult to quote or post the section?

My very first email I asked for relevant section. At one point you said it
does not expressly state.

People have told you that the Mangochi by-election is after nullification
of results. Then you shifted to MSCA.

An MP can die a day after elections and you say there should be
registration of new voters again - just a day after an MP is sworn in?. Or
you will say only if an MP leaves office after a minimum of 1 month then
you have by-election that require new registration. I know there is a 60
day period from vacancy declaration to elections.

You discourse creates chaos.

You deliberately mislead us by saying people register online as if they
register to vote in a by-election. Trevor, that registration is nationally
for all not for a specific by-election. Some countries update their voters
register yearly. Not zanuzi

Your view would encourage electoral fraud on a massive scale. People would
be ferried from Mozambique or Tanzania to register for a by-election with
no real means of verification. Dead people and kids would be registered.

It's fun having this discussion. I now understand how Malawi gets messed up.

I have been reading the electoral act. Voter registration in general
elections is combined with by-election. It's updating and inspection
indicates ONE voters roll which is inspected and verified by even
international observers.

You can Google Malawi electoral laws (final). Your notion that there would
be different versions for the same constituency  is not right.

I am unable to locate the PPEA. If you have a link paste it or you can cut
and paste the relevant section. I am all eyes and ears.

KPD.

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 12:05 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
wrote:

> KPD,
>
> I am not talking about other countries. I am talking about Malawi (even
> though i can give examples to the contrary of your examples). You must be
> commended for doing the anecdotal survey of other countries. It is
> surprising though that you cannot look at your own constitution, the
> electoral commission act and the PPEA (it even defines “by election”). I
> suggest that you check those out first, especially part III of the PPEA.
>
> It is possible to see nullification as giving rising to a vacancy (in the
> sense that the vacancy those arose remains infilled) but it operates
> differently in that it is basically a do over. You have the same candidates
> and the same voters eligible. That is not the case with a by election.
>
> On Sep 21, 2020, at 11:41 PM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Trevor,
>
> Your narrative is that countries that have always done that are wrong.
>
> I have a voter's card and I have participated as a voter in a general
> election and a by-election for a council ward. Those who lose their voters
> card are given a duplicate. No NEW voters are allowed.
>
> I am talking from experience and you are just assuming.
>
> A by-election is held due to a vacancy in a constituency or ward. The
> reasons for a vacancy are numerous including nullification. So in your
> opinion certain by-elections require additional new voters and others don't.
>
> Here is the British definition of a by-election;
>
> "A by-election is an election held in a single political constituency to
> fill a vacancy arising during a government's term of office"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2020, 02:00 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> KPD,
>>
>> Registration is envisaged in a general election, in a by election, in a
>> referendum, etc. The law provides the periods within which such
>> registration shall take place. This idea that registration only takes place
>> every five years and the roll established remains the same in those five
>> years is simply not supported by the law (except to that narrow extent as
>> specified by the MSCA, ie in the case of annulment the voter roll remains
>> the same as in the annulled election).
>>
>> Eligibility to vote and registering to vote are two different processes.
>> The constitution guarantees one’s right to vote by setting down criteria
>> when eligibility is instantiated. It cannot await the next general
>> election.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2020, at 10:28 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Trevor,
>>
>> On the contrary, citizenry is guaranteed to vote every 5 years without
>> fail. There is no guarantee of ever voting in between.
>>
>> The whole country has people reaching 18 years of age every day. Even for
>> the main elections, registration is done more than 2 months prio election
>> day. There are hundreds, if not thousands, who attain 18 years in the
>> intervening period before the elections. They can't claim that they are
>> left out unless you want to say registration should be done on the voting
>> day so that no one turning 18 years should not be denied their right.
>>
>>
>> It is unfair to claim to be giving the right to vote to pockets of people
>> just because they are lucky to have a by-election. Let them wait for 5
>> years like any other voter in the country.
>>
>> There is no reasonable justification for having new registration
>> everytime there is a by election apart from wasting of resources and
>> enriching the MEC guys with unjustified allowances.
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 13:25 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> KPD,
>>>
>>> On the contrary, we should be working towards credible systems where the
>>> eligible citizenry (and others eligible to vote) can register at any time.
>>> To achieve this would require decentralization of the systems.
>>>
>>> The regularity of an  election cycle has nothing to do with the right to
>>> vote. Once one attains 18 they attain eligibility to vote.
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2020, at 11:34 PM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Continuous registration to accommodate those who turn 18 shouldn't apply
>>> to a by election or any election that is held within the 5 years. It is for
>>> the next election main election i.e 2024..
>>>
>>> It is travesty of democracy to add new voters when the election is to
>>> replace a member who may be deceased or who vacate the position for
>>> whatever reason. New roll is compiled when parliament is dissolved.
>>>
>>> New elections are done every 5 years and so is voter registration.
>>>
>>> ALL people register and a voters roll created and inspected for the
>>> election of parliament for a term of 5 years.  Those so registered have the
>>> mandate to vote in an election in that constituency over that 5 year
>>> period. That roll remains valid for 5 years. Only transfers and removal of
>>> deceased from the roll is done should there be any election within the 5
>>> years.
>>>
>>> If parliament is dissolved a new voters roll is created by registering
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> The registration of new voters, whether they have just turned 18 or not,
>>> has been perpetuated because of ALLOWANCES. It is not provided for. It has
>>> turned something that is basically illegal into normal.
>>>
>>> It is easy to go to court after a by election and argue that the wrong
>>> voters roll with unknown names was used.
>>>
>>> As I have said, I am talking from what obtains in other countries. New
>>> party members are recruited and registered for party primary elections if
>>> there is a by election. However, such people can not vote in a by election
>>> unless they were in the voters roll of the first elections.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2020, 20:59 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Look at the provisions of the PPEA relating to registration of voters
>>>> and the power given to the EC in that regard.
>>>>
>>>> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Maybach Woyee <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > 
>>>> > Mfana,
>>>> > Which provision are you referring to?
>>>> > MB
>>>>
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