[civsoc-mw] Covid

Wed Oct 14 00:34:46 CAT 2020

Without covid it was all over. Crazy Joe had no prayer. I suspect the Chinese deliberately poisoned the world to get Trump's grip on power loosened.

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From: Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
To: civsoc-mw at sdnp.org.mw
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 4:48 pm
Subject: [civsoc-mw] Covid

One wonders what Democrats would be saying or campaigning on if covid was not there. Does the party have policies?
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 21:07 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:

You have never made a post so short in your whole life. This must be put in the genius book of records. 
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:04 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:

koma zina ukawona? 
On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 3:38 PM Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:

The process started around that time soon after multiparty. They even changed their name from Malawi Police Force to Malawi Police Service. Dfdi pumped a lot of money into the project. Once the project stopped, the bad elements went back to what they knew best torturing suspects and killing suspects in police cells. You can imagine how bad I felt when a friend had an accident and he had to seek a police approval to seek medical attention. I hope the Tonse alliance will reform this police for good. Why should somebody seeking medical attention go to the police first?
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 14:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:

Keyboard, 
The Police was not reformed in 1992! My friend Lot Dzonzi would probably agree. 

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On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:

I agree with you. The first step is to take out the baddest of the bad and reform.  Then we can  start talking of reforming or deforming the police. You can't reform or deform while the bad apples are perched up there. The exercise would be futile. They will put huge spanners in the spokes. A typical example is the police itself that was reformed from 1992 but still is deformed. Dfdi pumped a lot of money. Your friend was in charge of that.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 13:26 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:

Keyboard, 
You are making such a convoluted argument. Saying they are some people in the police who are bad and simply take out the bad apples misses the whole point and diverts attention from the overall need to have a police that is reformed. The system of law enforcement is rotten.  It needs to be reformed and completely insulated from the politicians. And it is not just a Malawi problem. 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:

Collective guilt? You had to be the devil incarnet for one to be commander of MYP or secretary general of MCP in those days my friend. I think you are sad such positions eluded you. The police can not be bad. It is some people in the police who are bad. MEC the institution can not be bad if all its employees are good. This is the simple reality of life. Take out the bad apples, the institution will not be bad. For the umpteenth time, can you give me a name in MCP that gave Orton chirwa as a gift to the ngwazi?
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 12:04 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:

Iwe Keyboard, 
All I am saying is that if we have to move on as a society we need to have a deeper understanding of the notion of collective guilt (otherwise we will continue making the same mistakes). 
If you were there under the 30 years of HKB’s traumatic dictatorship you can not be simplistic to say that what was happening was simply acts of a few individuals (we almost fell into the same trap with DPP). It was an entire system. 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:46 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:

My point is that true all those happened under mcp. But is it individuals, a collections of evil minds, that concocted such policies. Once those evil minds left MCP and were replaced by a different set, say drunkards, the shift in policy was bound to occur. The evil is the membership not the organisation itself. I asked you to give a name still in MCP top ranks who could have participated in those evil undertakings. I can give you names of people who are out of MCP  but we're part and parcel of those evil undertakings. Two died and one is alive. I am actually waiting for his death then I will start celebrating.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 11:36 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:

Iwe Keyboard, 
I know this is a side issue, but cannot pass without comment. 
You keep repeating this argument year in year out...when are going to realise that it is a disingenuous argument. The Jehovah witnesses were victims of Malawi Congress Party’s brutal tactics. This is a fact and documented. Mwanza happened under MCP. That is a fact. We cannot hide away from this sad history. It helps us understand what never again means.
When the current MCP says it is rebranded....it does not mean it is forsaking its past. Otherwise it cannot use the word “rebrand”. It has to own up its past. 

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On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:20 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:

The people who did harm to Jehovah witnesses are no longer in MCP but went elsewhere. Ask kamlepo he will tell you kuti fisi  ndi fisi.  Can you point to anyone in the current MCP who is associated with the mwanza 4 or giving Orton as a Christmas gift?
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 10:48 Charles Golomoti, <cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:

Ineyo, MCP? No way, Jose! Never in a month of Sundays would I belong to the MCP. No, not after what they did to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Mwanza Four, and Mkwapatira Mhango's family.  
Now  Bambo Trevor read my lips real good, and don't make this mistake again: I belong to Aford of old, the Aford of Chakufwa Chihana, Egbert Chibambo, Anthony Nazombe, Machika, Mapopa, Mzunda, Saulos Chilima, Charles Simango, Hardy Nyirenda, Mnthambala, Mordecai, Odinga Chifi, etcetera, etecetra. But now I am a nga-nga-nga supporter of the Mighty UTM. Come to think of it, why do you bring extraneous issues in a decent discourse like this one? Something is terribly wrong with this picture. Seriously, I don't like your diversion tactics, Bambo Trevor.
Yep, men and women must fight for positions in our society, and earn them fair and square. Just like Adiba Mia, Patricia Kaliati, and Timothy Mtambo have done to get themselves appointed in the Tonse-A cabinet .
CWG

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:36 AM trevor chimimba <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:

Inu bambo Golomoti, 
Of course I will come pouncing on you because what you are saying is nothing new. 
These are the same excuses I heard in the 1980s! We know that there are structural problems but we want to pass on the buck. 
At least you have accepted that you are MCP. Go and do something about it. Saying “trust me I am not” does not cut it. 

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