[civsoc-mw] Covid

Tue Oct 13 22:48:54 CAT 2020

One wonders what Democrats would be saying or campaigning on if covid was
not there. Does the party have policies?

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 21:07 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You have never made a post so short in your whole life. This must be put
> in the genius book of records.
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:04 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> koma zina ukawona?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 3:38 PM Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The process started around that time soon after multiparty. They even
>>> changed their name from Malawi Police Force to Malawi Police Service. Dfdi
>>> pumped a lot of money into the project. Once the project stopped, the bad
>>> elements went back to what they knew best torturing suspects and killing
>>> suspects in police cells. You can imagine how bad I felt when a friend had
>>> an accident and he had to seek a police approval to seek medical attention.
>>> I hope the Tonse alliance will reform this police for good. Why should
>>> somebody seeking medical attention go to the police first?
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 14:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>
>>>> The Police was not reformed in 1992! My friend Lot Dzonzi would
>>>> probably agree.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> I agree with you. The first step is to take out the baddest of the bad
>>>> and reform.  Then we can  start talking of reforming or deforming the
>>>> police. You can't reform or deform while the bad apples are perched up
>>>> there. The exercise would be futile. They will put huge spanners in the
>>>> spokes. A typical example is the police itself that was reformed from 1992
>>>> but still is deformed. Dfdi pumped a lot of money. Your friend was in
>>>> charge of that.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 13:26 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>> You are making such a convoluted argument. Saying they are some people
>>>>> in the police who are bad and simply take out the bad apples misses the
>>>>> whole point and diverts attention from the overall need to have a police
>>>>> that is reformed. The system of law enforcement is rotten.  It needs to be
>>>>> reformed and completely insulated from the politicians. And it is not just
>>>>> a Malawi problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Collective guilt? You had to be the devil incarnet for one to be
>>>>> commander of MYP or secretary general of MCP in those days my friend. I
>>>>> think you are sad such positions eluded you. The police can not be bad. It
>>>>> is some people in the police who are bad. MEC the institution can not be
>>>>> bad if all its employees are good. This is the simple reality of life. Take
>>>>> out the bad apples, the institution will not be bad. For the umpteenth
>>>>> time, can you give me a name in MCP that gave Orton chirwa as a gift to the
>>>>> ngwazi?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 12:04 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I am saying is that if we have to move on as a society we need to
>>>>>> have a deeper understanding of the notion of collective guilt (otherwise we
>>>>>> will continue making the same mistakes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you were there under the 30 years of HKB’s traumatic dictatorship
>>>>>> you can not be simplistic to say that what was happening was simply acts of
>>>>>> a few individuals (we almost fell into the same trap with DPP). It was an
>>>>>> entire system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:46 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My point is that true all those happened under mcp. But is it
>>>>>> individuals, a collections of evil minds, that concocted such policies.
>>>>>> Once those evil minds left MCP and were replaced by a different set, say
>>>>>> drunkards, the shift in policy was bound to occur. The evil is the
>>>>>> membership not the organisation itself. I asked you to give a name still in
>>>>>> MCP top ranks who could have participated in those evil undertakings. I can
>>>>>> give you names of people who are out of MCP  but we're part and parcel of
>>>>>> those evil undertakings. Two died and one is alive. I am actually waiting
>>>>>> for his death then I will start celebrating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 11:36 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know this is a side issue, but cannot pass without comment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You keep repeating this argument year in year out...when are going
>>>>>>> to realise that it is a disingenuous argument. The Jehovah witnesses were
>>>>>>> victims of Malawi Congress Party’s brutal tactics. This is a fact and
>>>>>>> documented. Mwanza happened under MCP. That is a fact. We cannot hide away
>>>>>>> from this sad history. It helps us understand what never again means.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When the current MCP says it is rebranded....it does not mean it is
>>>>>>> forsaking its past. Otherwise it cannot use the word “rebrand”. It has to
>>>>>>> own up its past.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:20 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The people who did harm to Jehovah witnesses are no longer in MCP
>>>>>>> but went elsewhere. Ask kamlepo he will tell you kuti fisi  ndi fisi.  Can
>>>>>>> you point to anyone in the current MCP who is associated with the mwanza 4
>>>>>>> or giving Orton as a Christmas gift?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 10:48 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ineyo, MCP? No way, Jose! Never in a month of Sundays would I
>>>>>>>> belong to the MCP. No, not after what they did to the Jehovah's Witnesses,
>>>>>>>> the Mwanza Four, and Mkwapatira Mhango's family.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now  Bambo Trevor read my lips real good, and don't make this
>>>>>>>> mistake again: I belong to Aford of old, the Aford of Chakufwa Chihana,
>>>>>>>> Egbert Chibambo, Anthony Nazombe, Machika, Mapopa, Mzunda, Saulos Chilima,
>>>>>>>> Charles Simango, Hardy Nyirenda, Mnthambala, Mordecai, Odinga Chifi,
>>>>>>>> etcetera, etecetra. But now I am a nga-nga-nga supporter of the Mighty UTM.
>>>>>>>> Come to think of it, why do you bring extraneous issues in a decent
>>>>>>>> discourse like this one? Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
>>>>>>>> Seriously, I don't like your diversion tactics, Bambo Trevor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, men and women must fight for positions in our society, and
>>>>>>>> earn them fair and square. Just like Adiba Mia, Patricia Kaliati, and
>>>>>>>> Timothy Mtambo have done to get themselves appointed in the Tonse-A cabinet
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CWG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:36 AM trevor chimimba <
>>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Inu bambo Golomoti,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course I will come pouncing on you because what you are saying
>>>>>>>>> is nothing new.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These are the same excuses I heard in the 1980s! We know that
>>>>>>>>> there are structural problems but we want to pass on the buck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At least you have accepted that you are MCP. Go and do something
>>>>>>>>> about it. Saying “trust me I am not” does not cut it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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