[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Tue Oct 13 21:07:08 CAT 2020

You have never made a post so short in your whole life. This must be put in
the genius book of records.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:04 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> koma zina ukawona?
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 3:38 PM Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The process started around that time soon after multiparty. They even
>> changed their name from Malawi Police Force to Malawi Police Service. Dfdi
>> pumped a lot of money into the project. Once the project stopped, the bad
>> elements went back to what they knew best torturing suspects and killing
>> suspects in police cells. You can imagine how bad I felt when a friend had
>> an accident and he had to seek a police approval to seek medical attention.
>> I hope the Tonse alliance will reform this police for good. Why should
>> somebody seeking medical attention go to the police first?
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 14:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Keyboard,
>>>
>>> The Police was not reformed in 1992! My friend Lot Dzonzi would probably
>>> agree.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I agree with you. The first step is to take out the baddest of the bad
>>> and reform.  Then we can  start talking of reforming or deforming the
>>> police. You can't reform or deform while the bad apples are perched up
>>> there. The exercise would be futile. They will put huge spanners in the
>>> spokes. A typical example is the police itself that was reformed from 1992
>>> but still is deformed. Dfdi pumped a lot of money. Your friend was in
>>> charge of that.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 13:26 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>
>>>> You are making such a convoluted argument. Saying they are some people
>>>> in the police who are bad and simply take out the bad apples misses the
>>>> whole point and diverts attention from the overall need to have a police
>>>> that is reformed. The system of law enforcement is rotten.  It needs to be
>>>> reformed and completely insulated from the politicians. And it is not just
>>>> a Malawi problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Collective guilt? You had to be the devil incarnet for one to be
>>>> commander of MYP or secretary general of MCP in those days my friend. I
>>>> think you are sad such positions eluded you. The police can not be bad. It
>>>> is some people in the police who are bad. MEC the institution can not be
>>>> bad if all its employees are good. This is the simple reality of life. Take
>>>> out the bad apples, the institution will not be bad. For the umpteenth
>>>> time, can you give me a name in MCP that gave Orton chirwa as a gift to the
>>>> ngwazi?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 12:04 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>> All I am saying is that if we have to move on as a society we need to
>>>>> have a deeper understanding of the notion of collective guilt (otherwise we
>>>>> will continue making the same mistakes).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you were there under the 30 years of HKB’s traumatic dictatorship
>>>>> you can not be simplistic to say that what was happening was simply acts of
>>>>> a few individuals (we almost fell into the same trap with DPP). It was an
>>>>> entire system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:46 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> My point is that true all those happened under mcp. But is it
>>>>> individuals, a collections of evil minds, that concocted such policies.
>>>>> Once those evil minds left MCP and were replaced by a different set, say
>>>>> drunkards, the shift in policy was bound to occur. The evil is the
>>>>> membership not the organisation itself. I asked you to give a name still in
>>>>> MCP top ranks who could have participated in those evil undertakings. I can
>>>>> give you names of people who are out of MCP  but we're part and parcel of
>>>>> those evil undertakings. Two died and one is alive. I am actually waiting
>>>>> for his death then I will start celebrating.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 11:36 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know this is a side issue, but cannot pass without comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You keep repeating this argument year in year out...when are going to
>>>>>> realise that it is a disingenuous argument. The Jehovah witnesses were
>>>>>> victims of Malawi Congress Party’s brutal tactics. This is a fact and
>>>>>> documented. Mwanza happened under MCP. That is a fact. We cannot hide away
>>>>>> from this sad history. It helps us understand what never again means.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When the current MCP says it is rebranded....it does not mean it is
>>>>>> forsaking its past. Otherwise it cannot use the word “rebrand”. It has to
>>>>>> own up its past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:20 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The people who did harm to Jehovah witnesses are no longer in MCP but
>>>>>> went elsewhere. Ask kamlepo he will tell you kuti fisi  ndi fisi.  Can you
>>>>>> point to anyone in the current MCP who is associated with the mwanza 4 or
>>>>>> giving Orton as a Christmas gift?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 10:48 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ineyo, MCP? No way, Jose! Never in a month of Sundays would I belong
>>>>>>> to the MCP. No, not after what they did to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the
>>>>>>> Mwanza Four, and Mkwapatira Mhango's family.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now  Bambo Trevor read my lips real good, and don't make this
>>>>>>> mistake again: I belong to Aford of old, the Aford of Chakufwa Chihana,
>>>>>>> Egbert Chibambo, Anthony Nazombe, Machika, Mapopa, Mzunda, Saulos Chilima,
>>>>>>> Charles Simango, Hardy Nyirenda, Mnthambala, Mordecai, Odinga Chifi,
>>>>>>> etcetera, etecetra. But now I am a nga-nga-nga supporter of the Mighty UTM.
>>>>>>> Come to think of it, why do you bring extraneous issues in a decent
>>>>>>> discourse like this one? Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
>>>>>>> Seriously, I don't like your diversion tactics, Bambo Trevor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, men and women must fight for positions in our society, and earn
>>>>>>> them fair and square. Just like Adiba Mia, Patricia Kaliati, and Timothy
>>>>>>> Mtambo have done to get themselves appointed in the Tonse-A cabinet .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CWG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:36 AM trevor chimimba <
>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Inu bambo Golomoti,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course I will come pouncing on you because what you are saying
>>>>>>>> is nothing new.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are the same excuses I heard in the 1980s! We know that there
>>>>>>>> are structural problems but we want to pass on the buck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At least you have accepted that you are MCP. Go and do something
>>>>>>>> about it. Saying “trust me I am not” does not cut it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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