[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Tue Oct 13 16:00:55 CAT 2020

koma zina ukawona?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 3:38 PM Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The process started around that time soon after multiparty. They even
> changed their name from Malawi Police Force to Malawi Police Service. Dfdi
> pumped a lot of money into the project. Once the project stopped, the bad
> elements went back to what they knew best torturing suspects and killing
> suspects in police cells. You can imagine how bad I felt when a friend had
> an accident and he had to seek a police approval to seek medical attention.
> I hope the Tonse alliance will reform this police for good. Why should
> somebody seeking medical attention go to the police first?
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 14:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Keyboard,
>>
>> The Police was not reformed in 1992! My friend Lot Dzonzi would probably
>> agree.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I agree with you. The first step is to take out the baddest of the bad
>> and reform.  Then we can  start talking of reforming or deforming the
>> police. You can't reform or deform while the bad apples are perched up
>> there. The exercise would be futile. They will put huge spanners in the
>> spokes. A typical example is the police itself that was reformed from 1992
>> but still is deformed. Dfdi pumped a lot of money. Your friend was in
>> charge of that.
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 13:26 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Keyboard,
>>>
>>> You are making such a convoluted argument. Saying they are some people
>>> in the police who are bad and simply take out the bad apples misses the
>>> whole point and diverts attention from the overall need to have a police
>>> that is reformed. The system of law enforcement is rotten.  It needs to be
>>> reformed and completely insulated from the politicians. And it is not just
>>> a Malawi problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Collective guilt? You had to be the devil incarnet for one to be
>>> commander of MYP or secretary general of MCP in those days my friend. I
>>> think you are sad such positions eluded you. The police can not be bad. It
>>> is some people in the police who are bad. MEC the institution can not be
>>> bad if all its employees are good. This is the simple reality of life. Take
>>> out the bad apples, the institution will not be bad. For the umpteenth
>>> time, can you give me a name in MCP that gave Orton chirwa as a gift to the
>>> ngwazi?
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 12:04 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>
>>>> All I am saying is that if we have to move on as a society we need to
>>>> have a deeper understanding of the notion of collective guilt (otherwise we
>>>> will continue making the same mistakes).
>>>>
>>>> If you were there under the 30 years of HKB’s traumatic dictatorship
>>>> you can not be simplistic to say that what was happening was simply acts of
>>>> a few individuals (we almost fell into the same trap with DPP). It was an
>>>> entire system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:46 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> My point is that true all those happened under mcp. But is it
>>>> individuals, a collections of evil minds, that concocted such policies.
>>>> Once those evil minds left MCP and were replaced by a different set, say
>>>> drunkards, the shift in policy was bound to occur. The evil is the
>>>> membership not the organisation itself. I asked you to give a name still in
>>>> MCP top ranks who could have participated in those evil undertakings. I can
>>>> give you names of people who are out of MCP  but we're part and parcel of
>>>> those evil undertakings. Two died and one is alive. I am actually waiting
>>>> for his death then I will start celebrating.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 11:36 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know this is a side issue, but cannot pass without comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> You keep repeating this argument year in year out...when are going to
>>>>> realise that it is a disingenuous argument. The Jehovah witnesses were
>>>>> victims of Malawi Congress Party’s brutal tactics. This is a fact and
>>>>> documented. Mwanza happened under MCP. That is a fact. We cannot hide away
>>>>> from this sad history. It helps us understand what never again means.
>>>>>
>>>>> When the current MCP says it is rebranded....it does not mean it is
>>>>> forsaking its past. Otherwise it cannot use the word “rebrand”. It has to
>>>>> own up its past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:20 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> The people who did harm to Jehovah witnesses are no longer in MCP but
>>>>> went elsewhere. Ask kamlepo he will tell you kuti fisi  ndi fisi.  Can you
>>>>> point to anyone in the current MCP who is associated with the mwanza 4 or
>>>>> giving Orton as a Christmas gift?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 10:48 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ineyo, MCP? No way, Jose! Never in a month of Sundays would I belong
>>>>>> to the MCP. No, not after what they did to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the
>>>>>> Mwanza Four, and Mkwapatira Mhango's family.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now  Bambo Trevor read my lips real good, and don't make this mistake
>>>>>> again: I belong to Aford of old, the Aford of Chakufwa Chihana, Egbert
>>>>>> Chibambo, Anthony Nazombe, Machika, Mapopa, Mzunda, Saulos Chilima, Charles
>>>>>> Simango, Hardy Nyirenda, Mnthambala, Mordecai, Odinga Chifi, etcetera,
>>>>>> etecetra. But now I am a nga-nga-nga supporter of the Mighty UTM. Come to
>>>>>> think of it, why do you bring extraneous issues in a decent discourse like
>>>>>> this one? Something is terribly wrong with this picture. Seriously, I don't
>>>>>> like your diversion tactics, Bambo Trevor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, men and women must fight for positions in our society, and earn
>>>>>> them fair and square. Just like Adiba Mia, Patricia Kaliati, and Timothy
>>>>>> Mtambo have done to get themselves appointed in the Tonse-A cabinet .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CWG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:36 AM trevor chimimba <
>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Inu bambo Golomoti,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I will come pouncing on you because what you are saying is
>>>>>>> nothing new.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are the same excuses I heard in the 1980s! We know that there
>>>>>>> are structural problems but we want to pass on the buck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least you have accepted that you are MCP. Go and do something
>>>>>>> about it. Saying “trust me I am not” does not cut it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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