[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Mon Oct 12 20:17:28 CAT 2020

Why sue? The men should resign and give the President the free hand to
comply. As simple as that

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 19:07 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:

> DM
>
> Then the women can use the Gender Equality Act to sue.
>
>
> But read Section 11 subsection a, b and c. You will realise what I am
> saying obtains.
>
> If any woman feels was qualified for any of the boards, she can take the
> appointing authority to court and Judge Mwaungulu can direct that that
> woman be appointed not withstanding 11 (a) to (c). Tell them the right is
> not absolute.
>
> To expect the appointing authority to go searching to fulfil an act is to
> make a mockery of the duty bearer. Ngakhale ndiri ine I would tell you to
> go and look for the women yourself.
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 19:52 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> your argument is non sequitur. My premise is that there are women out
>> there who qualify. it was the President's duty to find them knowing that he
>> had to comply with the Act. .
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:30 PM KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So in your considered opinion  anyone in a dress should fill up the
>>> stupid quota, if I may call it that.
>>>
>>> As for specifics, I want to benefit, not from the noise, but facts. I
>>> have not seen Gender Equality Act that Trevor mentioned. You also mentioned
>>> Gender Act which doesn't exist.
>>>
>>> We have Gender Based Violence Act and I don't think it talks about board
>>> appointments.
>>>
>>> TC, to some extent, is saying we should continue misleading each because
>>> we have no time for facts. My take is that there people on this very net
>>> who have facts at their fingertips.
>>>
>>> I want to be able to debate on point of knowledge than ignorance. So
>>> Judge Mwaungulu, if you believe so much that everything in the constitution
>>> should be implemented by the book then I can several for that were never
>>> implemented and you kept. It took Joyce Banda to revive Council elections
>>> which were ignored for long time. And you were there as part of those
>>> raping parts of the constitution.
>>>
>>> We all want to see women in boards but I can assure you that
>>> I am one person who will insist that those women should meet MINIMUM
>>> requirements. I will never compromise, as a duty bearer, to just fill up
>>> the numbers because a certain piece of paper says so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 16:24 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My friend, you have added nothing to the wider question. Read the
>>>> Gender Act. There is no duty laid on a citizen. The duty is on the
>>>> appointing or recruiting authority to comply with the Act.
>>>>
>>>> So what are the facts? On your own admission, the President went 23/77.
>>>> Did he comply with the law? No. He broke the law.
>>>>
>>>> That is all we have now. No amount of palliation removes these brute
>>>> facts. Do you know different facts - relevant facts?
>>>>
>>>> None.
>>>>
>>>> So let the President obey the law. The president is not bound by your
>>>> opinion. He is bound by the law.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 10:09 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DM,
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you missed Charles Golomoti's post.
>>>>>
>>>>> From what he posted, people in various spheres are taxed with
>>>>> submitting 6 names to be considered in the boards.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we have a Council for Lawyers, the council is contacted to submit 6
>>>>> names that will be considered for a board that deals with law.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is ESCOM the board will include Engineers. CWG struggled to find
>>>>> a single woman. They eventually found 2. One was already a PS who is an
>>>>> ex-official and the other had a weak CV.
>>>>>
>>>>> They included the woman, for the sake of being a woman. She didn't
>>>>> meet the requirements and they ended up with a board of 6 men.
>>>>>
>>>>> You, Judge Mwaungulu, can easily get this information which CWG
>>>>> provided. It is frustrating me we debate without any facts and in the end
>>>>> we go in around circles.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is only CWG who gave pertinent information. The rest of us
>>>>> contribute as if we are all based in another planet. Surely, there should
>>>>> be a netter can can get information appropriate sources how the
>>>>> process works and share.
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate CWG's contribution because it contained ver useful
>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 11:32 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> THE UNIVERSITY OF MALAWI HAS BEEN GRADUATING 7.5 WOMEN GRADUATES? YOU
>>>>>> ARE KIDDING ME?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Keyboard. The duty is on the appointer and the recruiter simple.
>>>>>> Nobody applied for these jobs. Nobody presented their CVs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The same exertion that went to find the board members should have
>>>>>> been applied for compliance with the Constitution and the Act. It is not a
>>>>>> requirement to the Act or Constitition that people present CVs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you are being unfair to say that for the past 40 years the
>>>>>> University of Malawi has produced less than 300 women. Women who can occupy
>>>>>> these boards. Where are you looking. Your contention is that for the past
>>>>>> 40 years the UNIMA has had 7.5 women graduates per annum? You are kidding
>>>>>> me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 08:30 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <
>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judge I think legislation aside, we should also look critically at
>>>>>>> availability of human resources gender wise. I do not think women should go
>>>>>>> into boards solely because they are women. Are there women qualified enough
>>>>>>> to deliver in the boards? If they are there then we should compile their
>>>>>>> cvs and give them to the nepotistic pastor. Which women would you recommend
>>>>>>> to Escom, poisons board, water boards, construction council tax. I don't
>>>>>>> think it is right to appoint Maria from bwandilo into the poisons board
>>>>>>> because she is a woman. This will breed malfeasance. This 50/50 should be
>>>>>>> considered as a process that we aim to achieve in the next 50 years than as
>>>>>>> a project that has a simple cut off date. Meanwhile we need to focus on
>>>>>>> underlying processes that will enable society achieve that goal. One
>>>>>>> brilliant idea I got from the net is abolishing these girls or boys
>>>>>>> secondary schools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 07:08 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please just read the Constitution and the two Acts on the matter.
>>>>>>>> The law places no duty on the one whose right is violated; it places the
>>>>>>>> duty on a) the one appointing and b) recruiting to follow the Act. It puts
>>>>>>>> no duty on the appointee or recruit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The law creates a right for the appointee and recruit. The right of
>>>>>>>> either gender to a minimum of 40%, leaving the appointee to deal with
>>>>>>>> gender issues differently but not without derogation from the right with
>>>>>>>> the 20%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The correct formulation is F/M/FM
>>>>>>>> 40/40/20. So that if there is a chance for 50/50 and the appointer
>>>>>>>> and the recruiter, would be wrong to resort to 40/40/20. Where, therefore,
>>>>>>>> there are all women left, after the 40/40, the recruiter or appointee must
>>>>>>>> get the 20% from the female. Tge same applies to when male constitute the
>>>>>>>> last 20%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THIS IS BRILLIANT LEGISLATION
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 02:20 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Inu a Judge,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are always people who get wronged and never open cases in
>>>>>>>>> court for various reasons.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The appointment of people took a long time and NGOs even
>>>>>>>>> complained. Any woman who was interested could have approached any of the 9
>>>>>>>>> Tonse Alliance parties. They could have approached the 13 presidential
>>>>>>>>> advisors. Could have approached any of the NGOs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No one can complain that you never considered their case if it
>>>>>>>>> didn't come to court. You even meet people who lose their jobs, houses etc
>>>>>>>>> in the street or in church. You can't give them judgement until their case
>>>>>>>>> is in court.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are making too many assumptions on this matter. Most prominent
>>>>>>>>> women have secure jobs which preclude them from taking other
>>>>>>>>> responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 23:35 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think we are having to  blame everything to avoid simple steps
>>>>>>>>>> we have to take. Thee are women there to fill 65 boards. 50%! Something
>>>>>>>>>> just got very wrong! It cannot be that the University of Malwi has produced
>>>>>>>>>> less than 300 women graduates in the past 10 years! You are kidding me?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 20:29 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A different perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Botswana has always had co-education. Whether boarding or day
>>>>>>>>>>> schools. No seperate boys and girls schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Women hold very high positions as PSs, Directors, principals and
>>>>>>>>>>> deputy principals of tertiary institutions. They own big companies and
>>>>>>>>>>> businesses.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By the 80s women were already admitted to any programme at
>>>>>>>>>>> tertiary institutions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Co-education at all levels without exception was normal. It was
>>>>>>>>>>> weird to Nyasa people who grew up knowing girls and boys could not go to
>>>>>>>>>>> same boarding secondary schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if there was a boarding secondary school in Malawi
>>>>>>>>>>> where cooks were women. It has always been normal in Botswana with women
>>>>>>>>>>> cooks, chefs, taxi and combi drivers, drivers of huge 100 ton mine trucks
>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The point is, our system creates gender inequality right from
>>>>>>>>>>> young age. Combine that with decades of women being told what to wear and
>>>>>>>>>>> not wear.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know of any African country where women dancing for
>>>>>>>>>>> president was institutionalised like Malawi. Yes we popularised osunga
>>>>>>>>>>> mwambo and it is the very same phrase which is propagating inequality.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The best way as it were is to start with both boy and girl
>>>>>>>>>>> child. Let them grow up together so that they can learn from early age how
>>>>>>>>>>> to treat each other with respect.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tisamaone azimai ngati mitchini yopanga ana.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 14:29 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <
>>>>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same experience. A grace chavula. She was very
>>>>>>>>>>>> bright. She went to Lilongwe Girls. I went to Mitundu night. Next I hear
>>>>>>>>>>>> she was at Poly doing secretarial studies while I went to chanco doing
>>>>>>>>>>>> general degree ya mabwana. I still think she should have been a PS or vice
>>>>>>>>>>>> chancellor of Unima. Some study indeed needs to be undertaken
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 11:16 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I support the concept of equality and protection of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> women empowerment, the only Act of parliament I have seen is on GBV. On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> boards it is only Environment management Board that there is a stipulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on board composition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to create CIVSOC forum board, can women here raise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hand so that I I include them. If the board comprise KBK,TC, LN, SK,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LN, CWG, some women somewhere will demonstrate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zinthu za maquota maybe politically correct but it is up to us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as individuals to stand up and be counted. Not because of our noise but our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inu azimai, don't normalise kumamenyedwa mapama. Don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> normalise kumaumilizidwa kukhala house wife.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alice Namathanga, I don't know where she is, competed with me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for position 1 in standard 7 at C.I in Blantyre. Next time ndinamva kuti ku
>>>>>>>>>>>>> secondary school sanapite or she got married. I felt like crying. Why do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our girls drop by the way side?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need some sort of conference, commission of inquiry or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to look and hardships faced by women from girl child to adult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will allow for appropriate intervention.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Osangoti tizingopanga phokoso without dealing with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> underlying issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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