<div dir="auto">Why sue? The men should resign and give the President the free hand to comply. As simple as that</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 19:07 KPD, <<a href="mailto:maluwakpd@gmail.com">maluwakpd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">DM<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div>Then the women can use the Gender Equality Act to sue.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But read Section 11 subsection a, b and c. You will realise what I am saying obtains.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If any woman feels was qualified for any of the boards, she can take the appointing authority to court and Judge Mwaungulu can direct that that woman be appointed not withstanding 11 (a) to (c). Tell them the right is not absolute.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">To expect the appointing authority to go searching to fulfil an act is to make a mockery of the duty bearer. Ngakhale ndiri ine I would tell you to go and look for the women yourself.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 19:52 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <<a href="mailto:dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">your argument is non sequitur. My premise is that there are women out there who qualify. it was the President's duty to find them knowing that he had to comply with the Act. . </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:30 PM KPD <<a href="mailto:maluwakpd@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">maluwakpd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">So in your considered opinion anyone in a dress should fill up the stupid quota, if I may call it that.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As for specifics, I want to benefit, not from the noise, but facts. I have not seen Gender Equality Act that Trevor mentioned. You also mentioned Gender Act which doesn't exist.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We have Gender Based Violence Act and I don't think it talks about board appointments.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">TC, to some extent, is saying we should continue misleading each because we have no time for facts. My take is that there people on this very net who have facts at their fingertips.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I want to be able to debate on point of knowledge than ignorance. So Judge Mwaungulu, if you believe so much that everything in the constitution should be implemented by the book then I can several for that were never implemented and you kept. It took Joyce Banda to revive Council elections which were ignored for long time. And you were there as part of those raping parts of the constitution.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We all want to see women in boards but I can assure you that </div><div dir="auto">I am one person who will insist that those women should meet MINIMUM requirements. I will never compromise, as a duty bearer, to just fill up the numbers because a certain piece of paper says so.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 16:24 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <<a href="mailto:dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">My friend, you have added nothing to the wider question. Read the Gender Act. There is no duty laid on a citizen. The duty is on the appointing or recruiting authority to comply with the Act.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So what are the facts? On your own admission, the President went 23/77. Did he comply with the law? No. He broke the law. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That is all we have now. No amount of palliation removes these brute facts. Do you know different facts - relevant facts? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">None.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So let the President obey the law. The president is not bound by your opinion. He is bound by the law. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 10:09 KPD, <<a href="mailto:maluwakpd@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">maluwakpd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">DM,<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">Maybe you missed Charles Golomoti's post.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">From what he posted, people in various spheres are taxed with submitting 6 names to be considered in the boards.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If we have a Council for Lawyers, the council is contacted to submit 6 names that will be considered for a board that deals with law. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If it is ESCOM the board will include Engineers. CWG struggled to find a single woman. They eventually found 2. One was already a PS who is an ex-official and the other had a weak CV.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">They included the woman, for the sake of being a woman. She didn't meet the requirements and they ended up with a board of 6 men.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You, Judge Mwaungulu, can easily get this information which CWG provided. It is frustrating me we debate without any facts and in the end we go in around circles.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It is only CWG who gave pertinent information. The rest of us contribute as if we are all based in another planet. Surely, there should be a netter can can get information appropriate sources how the process works and share. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I appreciate CWG's contribution because it contained ver useful information.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 11:32 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <<a href="mailto:dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">THE UNIVERSITY OF MALAWI HAS BEEN GRADUATING 7.5 WOMEN GRADUATES? YOU ARE KIDDING ME?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No, Keyboard. The duty is on the appointer and the recruiter simple. Nobody applied for these jobs. Nobody presented their CVs. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The same exertion that went to find the board members should have been applied for compliance with the Constitution and the Act. It is not a requirement to the Act or Constitition that people present CVs.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think you are being unfair to say that for the past 40 years the University of Malawi has produced less than 300 women. Women who can occupy these boards. Where are you looking. Your contention is that for the past 40 years the UNIMA has had 7.5 women graduates per annum? You are kidding me?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 08:30 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <<a href="mailto:kkilembe@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kkilembe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Judge I think legislation aside, we should also look critically at availability of human resources gender wise. I do not think women should go into boards solely because they are women. Are there women qualified enough to deliver in the boards? If they are there then we should compile their cvs and give them to the nepotistic pastor. Which women would you recommend to Escom, poisons board, water boards, construction council tax. I don't think it is right to appoint Maria from bwandilo into the poisons board because she is a woman. This will breed malfeasance. This 50/50 should be considered as a process that we aim to achieve in the next 50 years than as a project that has a simple cut off date. Meanwhile we need to focus on underlying processes that will enable society achieve that goal. One brilliant idea I got from the net is abolishing these girls or boys secondary schools.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 07:08 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <<a href="mailto:dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Please just read the Constitution and the two Acts on the matter. The law places no duty on the one whose right is violated; it places the duty on a) the one appointing and b) recruiting to follow the Act. It puts no duty on the appointee or recruit.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The law creates a right for the appointee and recruit. The right of either gender to a minimum of 40%, leaving the appointee to deal with gender issues differently but not without derogation from the right with the 20%.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The correct formulation is F/M/FM</div><div dir="auto">40/40/20. So that if there is a chance for 50/50 and the appointer and the recruiter, would be wrong to resort to 40/40/20. Where, therefore, there are all women left, after the 40/40, the recruiter or appointee must get the 20% from the female. Tge same applies to when male constitute the last 20%.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">THIS IS BRILLIANT LEGISLATION</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 02:20 KPD, <<a href="mailto:maluwakpd@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">maluwakpd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Inu a Judge,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There are always people who get wronged and never open cases in court for various reasons. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The appointment of people took a long time and NGOs even complained. Any woman who was interested could have approached any of the 9 Tonse Alliance parties. They could have approached the 13 presidential advisors. Could have approached any of the NGOs.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No one can complain that you never considered their case if it didn't come to court. You even meet people who lose their jobs, houses etc in the street or in church. You can't give them judgement until their case is in court.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We are making too many assumptions on this matter. Most prominent women have secure jobs which preclude them from taking other responsibilities.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 23:35 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <<a href="mailto:dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dfmwaungulu@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I think we are having to blame everything to avoid simple steps we have to take. Thee are women there to fill 65 boards. 50%! Something just got very wrong! It cannot be that the University of Malwi has produced less than 300 women graduates in the past 10 years! You are kidding me?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 20:29 KPD, <<a href="mailto:maluwakpd@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">maluwakpd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">A different perspective.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Botswana has always had co-education. Whether boarding or day schools. No seperate boys and girls schools.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Women hold very high positions as PSs, Directors, principals and deputy principals of tertiary institutions. They own big companies and businesses.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">By the 80s women were already admitted to any programme at tertiary institutions.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Co-education at all levels without exception was normal. It was weird to Nyasa people who grew up knowing girls and boys could not go to same boarding secondary schools.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't know if there was a boarding secondary school in Malawi where cooks were women. It has always been normal in Botswana with women cooks, chefs, taxi and combi drivers, drivers of huge 100 ton mine trucks etc.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The point is, our system creates gender inequality right from young age. Combine that with decades of women being told what to wear and not wear. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't know of any African country where women dancing for president was institutionalised like Malawi. Yes we popularised osunga mwambo and it is the very same phrase which is propagating inequality.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The best way as it were is to start with both boy and girl child. Let them grow up together so that they can learn from early age how to treat each other with respect.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Tisamaone azimai ngati mitchini yopanga ana.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 14:29 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <<a href="mailto:kkilembe@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kkilembe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I have the same experience. A grace chavula. She was very bright. She went to Lilongwe Girls. I went to Mitundu night. Next I hear she was at Poly doing secretarial studies while I went to chanco doing general degree ya mabwana. I still think she should have been a PS or vice chancellor of Unima. Some study indeed needs to be undertaken</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 11:16 KPD, <<a href="mailto:maluwakpd@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">maluwakpd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">As much as I support the concept of equality and protection of women empowerment, the only Act of parliament I have seen is on GBV. On boards it is only Environment management Board that there is a stipulation on board composition.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I want to create CIVSOC forum board, can women here raise their hand so that I I include them. If the board comprise KBK,TC, LN, SK, LN, CWG, some women somewhere will demonstrate.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Zinthu za maquota maybe politically correct but it is up to us as individuals to stand up and be counted. Not because of our noise but our worth.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Inu azimai, don't normalise kumamenyedwa mapama. Don't normalise kumaumilizidwa kukhala house wife.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Alice Namathanga, I don't know where she is, competed with me for position 1 in standard 7 at C.I in Blantyre. Next time ndinamva kuti ku secondary school sanapite or she got married. I felt like crying. Why do our girls drop by the way side?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We need some sort of conference, commission of inquiry or whatever to look and hardships faced by women from girl child to adult. This will allow for appropriate intervention.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Osangoti tizingopanga phokoso without dealing with the underlying issues.</div></div>
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