[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Dunstain Mwaungulu dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com
Mon Oct 12 16:23:33 CAT 2020 

My friend, you have added nothing to the wider question. Read the Gender
Act. There is no duty laid on a citizen. The duty is on the appointing or
recruiting authority to comply with the Act.

So what are the facts? On your own admission, the President went 23/77. Did
he comply with the law? No. He broke the law.

That is all we have now. No amount of palliation removes these brute facts.
Do you know different facts - relevant facts?

None.

So let the President obey the law. The president is not bound by your
opinion. He is bound by the law.



On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 10:09 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:

> DM,
>
> Maybe you missed Charles Golomoti's post.
>
> From what he posted, people in various spheres are taxed with submitting 6
> names to be considered in the boards.
>
> If we have a Council for Lawyers, the council is contacted to submit 6
> names that will be considered for a board that deals with law.
>
> If it is ESCOM the board will include Engineers. CWG struggled to find a
> single woman. They eventually found 2. One was already a PS who is an
> ex-official and the other had a weak CV.
>
> They included the woman, for the sake of being a woman. She didn't meet
> the requirements and they ended up with a board of 6 men.
>
> You, Judge Mwaungulu, can easily get this information which CWG provided.
> It is frustrating me we debate without any facts and in the end we go in
> around circles.
>
> It is only CWG who gave pertinent information. The rest of us contribute
> as if we are all based in another planet. Surely, there should be a netter
> can can get information appropriate sources how the process works and
> share.
>
> I appreciate CWG's contribution because it contained ver useful
> information.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 11:32 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> THE UNIVERSITY OF MALAWI HAS BEEN GRADUATING 7.5 WOMEN GRADUATES? YOU ARE
>> KIDDING ME?
>>
>> No, Keyboard. The duty is on the appointer and the recruiter simple.
>> Nobody applied for these jobs. Nobody presented their CVs.
>>
>> The same exertion that went to find the board members should have been
>> applied for compliance with the Constitution and the Act. It is not a
>> requirement to the Act or Constitition that people present CVs.
>>
>> I think you are being unfair to say that for the past 40 years the
>> University of Malawi has produced less than 300 women. Women who can occupy
>> these boards. Where are you looking. Your contention is that for the past
>> 40 years the UNIMA has had 7.5 women graduates per annum? You are kidding
>> me?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 08:30 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Judge I think legislation aside, we should also look critically at
>>> availability of human resources gender wise. I do not think women should go
>>> into boards solely because they are women. Are there women qualified enough
>>> to deliver in the boards? If they are there then we should compile their
>>> cvs and give them to the nepotistic pastor. Which women would you recommend
>>> to Escom, poisons board, water boards, construction council tax. I don't
>>> think it is right to appoint Maria from bwandilo into the poisons board
>>> because she is a woman. This will breed malfeasance. This 50/50 should be
>>> considered as a process that we aim to achieve in the next 50 years than as
>>> a project that has a simple cut off date. Meanwhile we need to focus on
>>> underlying processes that will enable society achieve that goal. One
>>> brilliant idea I got from the net is abolishing these girls or boys
>>> secondary schools.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 07:08 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please just read the Constitution and the two Acts on the matter. The
>>>> law places no duty on the one whose right is violated; it places the duty
>>>> on a) the one appointing and b) recruiting to follow the Act. It puts no
>>>> duty on the appointee or recruit.
>>>>
>>>> The law creates a right for the appointee and recruit. The right of
>>>> either gender to a minimum of 40%, leaving the appointee to deal with
>>>> gender issues differently but not without derogation from the right with
>>>> the 20%.
>>>>
>>>> The correct formulation is F/M/FM
>>>> 40/40/20. So that if there is a chance for 50/50 and the appointer and
>>>> the recruiter, would be wrong to resort to 40/40/20. Where, therefore,
>>>> there are all women left, after the 40/40, the recruiter or appointee must
>>>> get the 20% from the female. Tge same applies to when male constitute the
>>>> last 20%.
>>>>
>>>> THIS IS BRILLIANT LEGISLATION
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 02:20 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Inu a Judge,
>>>>>
>>>>> There are always people who get wronged and never open cases in court
>>>>> for various reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> The appointment of people took a long time and NGOs even complained.
>>>>> Any woman who was interested could have approached any of the 9 Tonse
>>>>> Alliance parties. They could have approached the 13 presidential advisors.
>>>>> Could have approached any of the NGOs.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one can complain that you never considered their case if it didn't
>>>>> come to court. You even meet people who lose their jobs, houses etc in the
>>>>> street or in church. You can't give them judgement until their case is in
>>>>> court.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are making too many assumptions on this matter. Most prominent
>>>>> women have secure jobs which preclude them from taking other
>>>>> responsibilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 23:35 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we are having to  blame everything to avoid simple steps we
>>>>>> have to take. Thee are women there to fill 65 boards. 50%! Something just
>>>>>> got very wrong! It cannot be that the University of Malwi has produced less
>>>>>> than 300 women graduates in the past 10 years! You are kidding me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 20:29 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A different perspective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Botswana has always had co-education. Whether boarding or day
>>>>>>> schools. No seperate boys and girls schools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Women hold very high positions as PSs, Directors, principals and
>>>>>>> deputy principals of tertiary institutions. They own big companies and
>>>>>>> businesses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the 80s women were already admitted to any programme at tertiary
>>>>>>> institutions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Co-education at all levels without exception was normal. It was
>>>>>>> weird to Nyasa people who grew up knowing girls and boys could not go to
>>>>>>> same boarding secondary schools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know if there was a boarding secondary school in Malawi
>>>>>>> where cooks were women. It has always been normal in Botswana with women
>>>>>>> cooks, chefs, taxi and combi drivers, drivers of huge 100 ton mine trucks
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The point is, our system creates gender inequality right from young
>>>>>>> age. Combine that with decades of women being told what to wear and not
>>>>>>> wear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know of any African country where women dancing for
>>>>>>> president was institutionalised like Malawi. Yes we popularised osunga
>>>>>>> mwambo and it is the very same phrase which is propagating inequality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best way as it were is to start with both boy and girl child.
>>>>>>> Let them grow up together so that they can learn from early age how to
>>>>>>> treat each other with respect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tisamaone azimai ngati mitchini yopanga ana.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 14:29 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <
>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have the same experience. A grace chavula. She was very bright.
>>>>>>>> She went to Lilongwe Girls. I went to Mitundu night. Next I hear she was at
>>>>>>>> Poly doing secretarial studies while I went to chanco doing general degree
>>>>>>>> ya mabwana. I still think she should have been a PS or vice chancellor of
>>>>>>>> Unima. Some study indeed needs to be undertaken
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 11:16 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As much as I support the concept of equality and protection of
>>>>>>>>> women empowerment, the only Act of parliament I have seen is on GBV. On
>>>>>>>>> boards it is only Environment management Board that there is a stipulation
>>>>>>>>> on board composition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to create CIVSOC forum board, can women here raise their
>>>>>>>>> hand so that I I include them. If the board comprise KBK,TC, LN, SK, LN,
>>>>>>>>> CWG, some women somewhere will demonstrate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Zinthu za maquota maybe politically correct but it is up to us as
>>>>>>>>> individuals to stand up and be counted. Not because of our noise but our
>>>>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Inu azimai, don't normalise kumamenyedwa mapama. Don't normalise
>>>>>>>>> kumaumilizidwa kukhala house wife.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alice Namathanga, I don't know where she is, competed with me for
>>>>>>>>> position 1 in standard 7 at C.I in Blantyre. Next time ndinamva kuti ku
>>>>>>>>> secondary school sanapite or she got married. I felt like crying. Why do
>>>>>>>>> our girls drop by the way side?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need some sort of conference, commission of inquiry or whatever
>>>>>>>>> to look and hardships faced by women from girl child to adult. This will
>>>>>>>>> allow for appropriate intervention.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Osangoti tizingopanga phokoso without dealing with the underlying
>>>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>>>
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