[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Sun Oct 11 15:12:59 CAT 2020

Yes I have. Chilambe was my immediate boss. Then I went to work for Upindi.
Why are you asking? You want to give me a job?

On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 13:37 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Have you worked in the Civil Service before?
>
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 10:34 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Can you give a website that says advisors recommend board memberships and
>> not PSs or stakeholders in the Tonse alliance? The reason thete are more
>> men in boards is not that thete are more male advisors bit these male
>> advisors have no wide scope to choose women from. Now you say thete are
>> many women graduates to choose from, can you list their names and give them
>> to the nepotistic pastor to consider?
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 11:25 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You see now that your defence is crumbling. The President's advisers,
>>> being 90% male, could not go to search if there were such women or not. For
>>> there are women in all qualifications now. And the only one who does not
>>> see is you. But as I have said a board cannot be peopled with people of the
>>> same profession. Those are very old antiquated boards
>>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 10:08 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Being a graduate does not mean one is an expert in something. Unima may
>>>> as well produced 1m women graduates in the past two months bit none fit to
>>>> be at the poisons board or pharmacy board. Maybe these 1m women graduates
>>>> specialised in education or nuclear physics. How do you put them to the
>>>> water board or Escom?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 11:01 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are being presumptuous. Those who are in the category you mention
>>>>> could very well be men. Your argument scarcely address the gender issue
>>>>> discussed. Convince me that the University of Malawi in the past 5 years
>>>>> has produced less than 150 women graduates, then I will believe you!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 09:53 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaji have you ever attended a meeting where some members had no clue
>>>>>> what was before them to decide? It is frustrating. They become petty. They
>>>>>> start pretending to know. I wouldn't want the same to be happening in the
>>>>>> boards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 10:45 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bwana wanga, Golomoti, we are talking about law here. Law is not a
>>>>>>> fact. Whatctfw law now says is that there should be a minimum of each
>>>>>>> gender of 40%. Thst is not a factual matter. It is a legal factor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are the facts? The female gender was 23% represented. The
>>>>>>> President has admitted this fact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His defence is that there were no women around to appoint from. This
>>>>>>> is an opinion rather than a fact. The fact is that universities in Malawi
>>>>>>> for the past 10 years have been producing more than 300 female graduates.
>>>>>>> Why 300 because this is the total number the President has appointed to the
>>>>>>> board. So if the President had just looked at the graduate list of one
>>>>>>> year, there would be thousands of women graduating each year.  In one year,
>>>>>>> he would have a surplus in thousands of women. These are facts.
>>>>>>> Given these facts, we can say only two things about the ADVICE the
>>>>>>> President got from a) the VICE PRESIDENT, THE CABINET, THE SECRETARY TO THE
>>>>>>> PRESIDENT AND CABINET, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE LINE MINISTER, THE LINE PS
>>>>>>> AND THE TONSE ALLIANCE
>>>>>>> 1. He was properly advised and decided deliberately to ignore the
>>>>>>> advice. OR
>>>>>>> 2. He was not properly advised
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know Lazarus personally, I reserve my opinion on what actually
>>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that goes to the quality of advice given. The President does not
>>>>>>> know all these people. And as the President said, some boards require
>>>>>>> certain profociencies. The only people who would have that information
>>>>>>> would be the PS. The PS shield have been the first person to apply the Act.
>>>>>>> And inform the President that the Act was considered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The President would have told the PS that it cannot be that I cannot
>>>>>>> find 150 women who are board material. That is a disgrace. For 50 years +
>>>>>>> of the existence of UNIMA, we have failed to produce 150 women? You are
>>>>>>> kidding me?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More importantly, a good board is one that includes the lay and
>>>>>>> others unrelated to the area of operation or supportive services. The PS
>>>>>>> should have included these as women only to fulfil the 40/40/20 formula.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are facts, not fable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 08:53 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TC and Judge Fipamutima are very strange characters, KPD. During my
>>>>>>>> school days in the Midwest, the two gentlemen would easily have passed as
>>>>>>>> "weirdos". They thrive on empty arguments. Generally, they do not have
>>>>>>>> facts on their fingertips, nada! As such, trying to have a civilized
>>>>>>>> discussion with them is akin to fighting with a pig in the mud, if you get
>>>>>>>> my point. That is their turf, right there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know what; I made my two Tambala contribution on this issue. I
>>>>>>>> know the process of appointing Board Members. I have done it. Trevor has
>>>>>>>> not, for sure. Fipamutima, may be.  And what was Trevor's response to my
>>>>>>>> posting? Read this vitriol:  "Inu Bambo Golomoti, who knew you had such
>>>>>>>> drivel in your mouth! Try to clean with Doom". Hee? Was Trevor talking to
>>>>>>>> me, or to Joe Gwaladi?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My argument is very simple, KPD. Please listen to me, and listen
>>>>>>>> real good: the Tonse-A Team should appoint women into our boards based on
>>>>>>>> merit. Period!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CWG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 8:17 PM KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CWG,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wish TC and DM could comment on your post.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Legislating something is not the same as implementation. When I
>>>>>>>>> read the constitution under 'The Executive',  I find Firsf Vice President
>>>>>>>>> and Second Vice President. After Muluzi no one was ever made Firsf or
>>>>>>>>> second Vice president. But the section is still there. Or was it removed?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you have correctly stated, ignorance is making some of us bark
>>>>>>>>> at the wrong tree.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 06:34 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>>>>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> KPD, when I first heard that women were agitating for a
>>>>>>>>>> countrywide kodo kodo, I was like: "do these homo sapiens even know how
>>>>>>>>>> boards are constituted?".  You know what; a long time ago I attended a
>>>>>>>>>> meeting where we were tasked to propose names of individuals to sit on one
>>>>>>>>>> of the boards in my field of specialization. We were required to come up
>>>>>>>>>> with six names of highly qualified professionals in the country. We chose
>>>>>>>>>> five men and one woman as the best combo we could dream of, i.e. our dream
>>>>>>>>>> team. But the woman's name was turned down during the first screening
>>>>>>>>>> process at the Department of Statutory Corporations, way before the final
>>>>>>>>>> vetting at OPC, because she was already a member of another very powerful
>>>>>>>>>> board, if you know what I mean. The only other woman we could have chosen
>>>>>>>>>> to sit on that particular board, in as far as experience and academic
>>>>>>>>>> qualifications were concerned, was a PS in the parent ministry. So anyhow,
>>>>>>>>>> the PS  woman was still going to sit on the board as an ex official. To cut
>>>>>>>>>> the long story short, we ended up with six men and several ex-officios.
>>>>>>>>>> Ndiye izi zomangolirira zili zonse chifukwa chozolowera the infamous kota
>>>>>>>>>> system introduced into Mother Malawi by the Bibida Master Bingu,
>>>>>>>>>> ndizosathandiza kwenikweni; but merit, merit, and merit. Ndangodutsamo!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CWG
>>>>>>>>>>
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