[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Sun Oct 11 11:23:09 CAT 2020

Beyond womening the boards,  questions:

Question 1:  Do the boards need special skills or education?

Question 2: why do we keep hearing the same names and surnames in some
boards from regime to regime?

Question 4: why are chiefs and faith leaders favourites when it comes to
appointment into boards?

Question 5: why are the board appointments urbancentric?

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 11:09 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Being a graduate does not mean one is an expert in something. Unima may as
> well produced 1m women graduates in the past two months bit none fit to be
> at the poisons board or pharmacy board. Maybe these 1m women graduates
> specialised in education or nuclear physics. How do you put them to the
> water board or Escom?
>
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 11:01 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You are being presumptuous. Those who are in the category you mention
>> could very well be men. Your argument scarcely address the gender issue
>> discussed. Convince me that the University of Malawi in the past 5 years
>> has produced less than 150 women graduates, then I will believe you!
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 09:53 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jaji have you ever attended a meeting where some members had no clue
>>> what was before them to decide? It is frustrating. They become petty. They
>>> start pretending to know. I wouldn't want the same to be happening in the
>>> boards
>>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 10:45 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bwana wanga, Golomoti, we are talking about law here. Law is not a
>>>> fact. Whatctfw law now says is that there should be a minimum of each
>>>> gender of 40%. Thst is not a factual matter. It is a legal factor.
>>>>
>>>> What are the facts? The female gender was 23% represented. The
>>>> President has admitted this fact.
>>>>
>>>> His defence is that there were no women around to appoint from. This is
>>>> an opinion rather than a fact. The fact is that universities in Malawi for
>>>> the past 10 years have been producing more than 300 female graduates. Why
>>>> 300 because this is the total number the President has appointed to the
>>>> board. So if the President had just looked at the graduate list of one
>>>> year, there would be thousands of women graduating each year.  In one year,
>>>> he would have a surplus in thousands of women. These are facts.
>>>> Given these facts, we can say only two things about the ADVICE the
>>>> President got from a) the VICE PRESIDENT, THE CABINET, THE SECRETARY TO THE
>>>> PRESIDENT AND CABINET, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE LINE MINISTER, THE LINE PS
>>>> AND THE TONSE ALLIANCE
>>>> 1. He was properly advised and decided deliberately to ignore the
>>>> advice. OR
>>>> 2. He was not properly advised
>>>>
>>>> I know Lazarus personally, I reserve my opinion on what actually
>>>> happened.
>>>>
>>>> But that goes to the quality of advice given. The President does not
>>>> know all these people. And as the President said, some boards require
>>>> certain profociencies. The only people who would have that information
>>>> would be the PS. The PS shield have been the first person to apply the Act.
>>>> And inform the President that the Act was considered.
>>>>
>>>> The President would have told the PS that it cannot be that I cannot
>>>> find 150 women who are board material. That is a disgrace. For 50 years +
>>>> of the existence of UNIMA, we have failed to produce 150 women? You are
>>>> kidding me?
>>>>
>>>> More importantly, a good board is one that includes the lay and others
>>>> unrelated to the area of operation or supportive services. The PS should
>>>> have included these as women only to fulfil the 40/40/20 formula.
>>>>
>>>> These are facts, not fable.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 08:53 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> TC and Judge Fipamutima are very strange characters, KPD. During my
>>>>> school days in the Midwest, the two gentlemen would easily have passed as
>>>>> "weirdos". They thrive on empty arguments. Generally, they do not have
>>>>> facts on their fingertips, nada! As such, trying to have a civilized
>>>>> discussion with them is akin to fighting with a pig in the mud, if you get
>>>>> my point. That is their turf, right there.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know what; I made my two Tambala contribution on this issue. I
>>>>> know the process of appointing Board Members. I have done it. Trevor has
>>>>> not, for sure. Fipamutima, may be.  And what was Trevor's response to my
>>>>> posting? Read this vitriol:  "Inu Bambo Golomoti, who knew you had such
>>>>> drivel in your mouth! Try to clean with Doom". Hee? Was Trevor talking to
>>>>> me, or to Joe Gwaladi?
>>>>>
>>>>> My argument is very simple, KPD. Please listen to me, and listen real
>>>>> good: the Tonse-A Team should appoint women into our boards based on merit.
>>>>> Period!
>>>>>
>>>>> CWG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 8:17 PM KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> CWG,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish TC and DM could comment on your post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Legislating something is not the same as implementation. When I read
>>>>>> the constitution under 'The Executive',  I find Firsf Vice President and
>>>>>> Second Vice President. After Muluzi no one was ever made Firsf or second
>>>>>> Vice president. But the section is still there. Or was it removed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you have correctly stated, ignorance is making some of us bark at
>>>>>> the wrong tree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 06:34 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KPD, when I first heard that women were agitating for a countrywide
>>>>>>> kodo kodo, I was like: "do these homo sapiens even know how boards are
>>>>>>> constituted?".  You know what; a long time ago I attended a meeting where
>>>>>>> we were tasked to propose names of individuals to sit on one of the boards
>>>>>>> in my field of specialization. We were required to come up with six names
>>>>>>> of highly qualified professionals in the country. We chose five men and one
>>>>>>> woman as the best combo we could dream of, i.e. our dream team. But the
>>>>>>> woman's name was turned down during the first screening process at the
>>>>>>> Department of Statutory Corporations, way before the final vetting at OPC,
>>>>>>> because she was already a member of another very powerful board, if you
>>>>>>> know what I mean. The only other woman we could have chosen to sit on that
>>>>>>> particular board, in as far as experience and academic qualifications were
>>>>>>> concerned, was a PS in the parent ministry. So anyhow, the PS  woman was
>>>>>>> still going to sit on the board as an ex official. To cut the long story
>>>>>>> short, we ended up with six men and several ex-officios. Ndiye izi
>>>>>>> zomangolirira zili zonse chifukwa chozolowera the infamous kota system
>>>>>>> introduced into Mother Malawi by the Bibida Master Bingu,
>>>>>>> ndizosathandiza kwenikweni; but merit, merit, and merit. Ndangodutsamo!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CWG
>>>>>>>
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