[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Sun Oct 11 11:40:57 CAT 2020

You must be commendable for that. Start at the bottom solving the problem.
In 20 years it becomes a norm to see a female bouncer on the door. This
rushing to legislate is ill advised.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 11:36 Adamson S. Muula, <amuula at medcol.mw> wrote:

> I suspect the Pharmacy degree was just an example.For the pharmacy
> programme though since its inception, 50% students are females and 50%
> males. Good morning,
>
> adamson
>
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 at 11:09, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Being a graduate does not mean one is an expert in something. Unima may
>> as well produced 1m women graduates in the past two months bit none fit to
>> be at the poisons board or pharmacy board. Maybe these 1m women graduates
>> specialised in education or nuclear physics. How do you put them to the
>> water board or Escom?
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 11:01 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You are being presumptuous. Those who are in the category you mention
>>> could very well be men. Your argument scarcely address the gender issue
>>> discussed. Convince me that the University of Malawi in the past 5 years
>>> has produced less than 150 women graduates, then I will believe you!
>>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 09:53 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jaji have you ever attended a meeting where some members had no clue
>>>> what was before them to decide? It is frustrating. They become petty. They
>>>> start pretending to know. I wouldn't want the same to be happening in the
>>>> boards
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 10:45 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bwana wanga, Golomoti, we are talking about law here. Law is not a
>>>>> fact. Whatctfw law now says is that there should be a minimum of each
>>>>> gender of 40%. Thst is not a factual matter. It is a legal factor.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the facts? The female gender was 23% represented. The
>>>>> President has admitted this fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> His defence is that there were no women around to appoint from. This
>>>>> is an opinion rather than a fact. The fact is that universities in Malawi
>>>>> for the past 10 years have been producing more than 300 female graduates.
>>>>> Why 300 because this is the total number the President has appointed to the
>>>>> board. So if the President had just looked at the graduate list of one
>>>>> year, there would be thousands of women graduating each year.  In one year,
>>>>> he would have a surplus in thousands of women. These are facts.
>>>>> Given these facts, we can say only two things about the ADVICE the
>>>>> President got from a) the VICE PRESIDENT, THE CABINET, THE SECRETARY TO THE
>>>>> PRESIDENT AND CABINET, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE LINE MINISTER, THE LINE PS
>>>>> AND THE TONSE ALLIANCE
>>>>> 1. He was properly advised and decided deliberately to ignore the
>>>>> advice. OR
>>>>> 2. He was not properly advised
>>>>>
>>>>> I know Lazarus personally, I reserve my opinion on what actually
>>>>> happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that goes to the quality of advice given. The President does not
>>>>> know all these people. And as the President said, some boards require
>>>>> certain profociencies. The only people who would have that information
>>>>> would be the PS. The PS shield have been the first person to apply the Act.
>>>>> And inform the President that the Act was considered.
>>>>>
>>>>> The President would have told the PS that it cannot be that I cannot
>>>>> find 150 women who are board material. That is a disgrace. For 50 years +
>>>>> of the existence of UNIMA, we have failed to produce 150 women? You are
>>>>> kidding me?
>>>>>
>>>>> More importantly, a good board is one that includes the lay and others
>>>>> unrelated to the area of operation or supportive services. The PS should
>>>>> have included these as women only to fulfil the 40/40/20 formula.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are facts, not fable.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, 08:53 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> TC and Judge Fipamutima are very strange characters, KPD. During my
>>>>>> school days in the Midwest, the two gentlemen would easily have passed as
>>>>>> "weirdos". They thrive on empty arguments. Generally, they do not have
>>>>>> facts on their fingertips, nada! As such, trying to have a civilized
>>>>>> discussion with them is akin to fighting with a pig in the mud, if you get
>>>>>> my point. That is their turf, right there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know what; I made my two Tambala contribution on this issue. I
>>>>>> know the process of appointing Board Members. I have done it. Trevor has
>>>>>> not, for sure. Fipamutima, may be.  And what was Trevor's response to my
>>>>>> posting? Read this vitriol:  "Inu Bambo Golomoti, who knew you had such
>>>>>> drivel in your mouth! Try to clean with Doom". Hee? Was Trevor talking to
>>>>>> me, or to Joe Gwaladi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My argument is very simple, KPD. Please listen to me, and listen real
>>>>>> good: the Tonse-A Team should appoint women into our boards based on merit.
>>>>>> Period!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CWG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 8:17 PM KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CWG,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish TC and DM could comment on your post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Legislating something is not the same as implementation. When I read
>>>>>>> the constitution under 'The Executive',  I find Firsf Vice President and
>>>>>>> Second Vice President. After Muluzi no one was ever made Firsf or second
>>>>>>> Vice president. But the section is still there. Or was it removed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you have correctly stated, ignorance is making some of us bark at
>>>>>>> the wrong tree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 06:34 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> KPD, when I first heard that women were agitating for a countrywide
>>>>>>>> kodo kodo, I was like: "do these homo sapiens even know how boards are
>>>>>>>> constituted?".  You know what; a long time ago I attended a meeting where
>>>>>>>> we were tasked to propose names of individuals to sit on one of the boards
>>>>>>>> in my field of specialization. We were required to come up with six names
>>>>>>>> of highly qualified professionals in the country. We chose five men and one
>>>>>>>> woman as the best combo we could dream of, i.e. our dream team. But the
>>>>>>>> woman's name was turned down during the first screening process at the
>>>>>>>> Department of Statutory Corporations, way before the final vetting at OPC,
>>>>>>>> because she was already a member of another very powerful board, if you
>>>>>>>> know what I mean. The only other woman we could have chosen to sit on that
>>>>>>>> particular board, in as far as experience and academic qualifications were
>>>>>>>> concerned, was a PS in the parent ministry. So anyhow, the PS  woman was
>>>>>>>> still going to sit on the board as an ex official. To cut the long story
>>>>>>>> short, we ended up with six men and several ex-officios. Ndiye izi
>>>>>>>> zomangolirira zili zonse chifukwa chozolowera the infamous kota system
>>>>>>>> introduced into Mother Malawi by the Bibida Master Bingu,
>>>>>>>> ndizosathandiza kwenikweni; but merit, merit, and merit. Ndangodutsamo!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CWG
>>>>>>>>
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