[civsoc-mw] Governance prize from Chatham House

Mon Nov 2 13:08:50 CAT 2020

Voters my foot. You think Zimbabweans don't vote in their large numbers
against the ruling party?

On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 13:01 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:

> Keyboard,
>
> Even after the judgment things could easily have gone wrong. It was the
> people of Malawi who went to vote again in their large numbers who won as
> the day. That is what democracy means. The people deciding. People’s power.
> Izi zoti MDF or the judiciary, this is secondary. When MDF take over in
> coup, praise them, that is when you will see.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 2, 2020, at 1:05 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Your are very right. In fact they also did a good job over operation
> bwerani. Without the MDF I don't know where we would be. I think the
> contribution of MDF to our democracy is understated. I wish Zimbabwe had an
> MDF too and all their problems would disappear.
>
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 08:01 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This was the second time MDF saved Malawi from Peter Mutharika.
>>
>> In 2012 APM tried to steal the presidency while his brother was decaying
>> in a plane enroute to South Africa as James Phiri.
>>
>> In 2014 he used "the system" to steal elections. In 2019 he tried to use
>> "the system" only to realise, too late, tha Tippex leaves an indelible mark.
>>
>> On 2019 MDF protected demonstrators and Judges to save Malawi from
>> Mutharika. If MDF was not professional and apolitical, all this could not
>> have been achieved.
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 21:29 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am saying these kinds of awards are not meant for the judiciary. You
>>> are celebrating now because they came first. What if they were number 2 or
>>> 3.
>>>
>>> In our body politic, are they any more deserving than those “agitators
>>> and confusionists” that kept virgil as that fellow who wanted to steal
>>> their vote rushed to be sworn in and claim legitimacy while claiming
>>> falsely that the opposition wanted to bring chaos and civil war; than those
>>> lawyers who took a stab at challenging the outcome in the courts as people
>>> across the country listened an kept their hopes alive and braved the
>>> assault on their personal freedoms?
>>>
>>> Do you see how politicised this whole thing is? No different from that
>>> award from that Sudanese billionaire
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> What exactly is your problem? Is it that the award came from great
>>> Britain or that the judges don't need a positive stimuli? When you have
>>> kids coming late to school try giving those who come early some sweets. You
>>> will see a dramatic change for the better. Don't waste time whipping the
>>> late comers because over time they become used to being whipped. They would
>>> actually beg you to whip them in case you forget. The judges deserve a
>>> positive stimuli from whatever source.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 19:34 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>
>>>> Just pause, take a breath and reflect upon what you have written.
>>>>
>>>> This is not surprising of course, for someone who thinks being called
>>>> shithole countries is alright
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> They don't give these awards to their supreme courts because good
>>>> behaviour is already reinforced. But ours is different. Bad behaviour is
>>>> the norm. So when good behaviour is detected it becomes an abnorm. It
>>>> requires a reward. Over time you will see our justice system will align
>>>> itself to good behaviours.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 17:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kodi umayesa kukhala judge ndi masewera eti. Just check the
>>>>> requirements under our constitution. Reward for good behaviour my foot.
>>>>> These folks cannot dare to give such an award to their own Supreme Court I
>>>>> can tell you. It shakes the very foundations upon which the judiciary is
>>>>> founded: its independence.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is good to reward good behaviour. Such awards reinforce good
>>>>> behaviour. I am sure there could be magistrates and judges in other
>>>>> countries who have been motivated by such an awards. Doing good becomes
>>>>> second nature like using tooth brush in the morning. The judges, though
>>>>> they were doing their job, deserve a commendation. They did their job in a
>>>>> good way. They could have chosen to do the same job in a bad way. Law or
>>>>> justice is not an exact science. The 200 cars case should remind you of
>>>>> what I am trying to say
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:33 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not commenting on the facts of that case. I have not read or
>>>>>> heard enough to know what is happening in the courtroom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remain skeptical of awarding judges any awards about governance
>>>>>> (corruption before fact and corruption after the fact deserve equal
>>>>>> opprobrium!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The fact is judge tembo had no proof that anybody was receiving a
>>>>>> bribe. He should have restricted himself on the transactions or
>>>>>> conversations between himself and Mpinganjira. Hey I thought lawyers or
>>>>>> judges would be judicious with legal facts. Now we know brown was the
>>>>>> conduit thanks to this excited judge. I thought you would condemn such
>>>>>> conjecture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:17 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not mentioned any name. I do not know why you decided to
>>>>>>> mention Lovemore. The fact that we have a case such as this is scandal
>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a little familiarity with the politics of awards...I stopped
>>>>>>> a long ago celebrating them. And please do not dare to offer me one. I will
>>>>>>> refuse it in your face.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On Oct 31, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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