[civsoc-mw] Governance prize from Chatham House

Mon Nov 2 13:00:09 CAT 2020

Keyboard, 

Even after the judgment things could easily have gone wrong. It was the people of Malawi who went to vote again in their large numbers who won as the day. That is what democracy means. The people deciding. People’s power. Izi zoti MDF or the judiciary, this is secondary. When MDF take over in coup, praise them, that is when you will see. 

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> On Nov 2, 2020, at 1:05 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Your are very right. In fact they also did a good job over operation bwerani. Without the MDF I don't know where we would be. I think the contribution of MDF to our democracy is understated. I wish Zimbabwe had an MDF too and all their problems would disappear.
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>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 08:01 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This was the second time MDF saved Malawi from Peter Mutharika.
>> 
>> In 2012 APM tried to steal the presidency while his brother was decaying in a plane enroute to South Africa as James Phiri.
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>> In 2014 he used "the system" to steal elections. In 2019 he tried to use "the system" only to realise, too late, tha Tippex leaves an indelible mark.
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>> On 2019 MDF protected demonstrators and Judges to save Malawi from Mutharika. If MDF was not professional and apolitical, all this could not have been achieved.
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>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 21:29 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Iwe Keyboard, 
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>>> I am saying these kinds of awards are not meant for the judiciary. You are celebrating now because they came first. What if they were number 2 or 3. 
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>>> In our body politic, are they any more deserving than those “agitators and confusionists” that kept virgil as that fellow who wanted to steal their vote rushed to be sworn in and claim legitimacy while claiming falsely that the opposition wanted to bring chaos and civil war; than those lawyers who took a stab at challenging the outcome in the courts as people across the country listened an kept their hopes alive and braved the assault on their personal freedoms?
>>> 
>>> Do you see how politicised this whole thing is? No different from that award from that Sudanese billionaire 
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>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> What exactly is your problem? Is it that the award came from great Britain or that the judges don't need a positive stimuli? When you have kids coming late to school try giving those who come early some sweets. You will see a dramatic change for the better. Don't waste time whipping the late comers because over time they become used to being whipped. They would actually beg you to whip them in case you forget. The judges deserve a positive stimuli from whatever source.
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>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 19:34 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just pause, take a breath and reflect upon what you have written. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is not surprising of course, for someone who thinks being called shithole countries is alright 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> They don't give these awards to their supreme courts because good behaviour is already reinforced. But ours is different. Bad behaviour is the norm. So when good behaviour is detected it becomes an abnorm. It requires a reward. Over time you will see our justice system will align itself to good behaviours.
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>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 17:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard, 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Kodi umayesa kukhala judge ndi masewera eti. Just check the requirements under our constitution. Reward for good behaviour my foot. These folks cannot dare to give such an award to their own Supreme Court I can tell you. It shakes the very foundations upon which the judiciary is founded: its independence. 
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>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> It is good to reward good behaviour. Such awards reinforce good behaviour. I am sure there could be magistrates and judges in other countries who have been motivated by such an awards. Doing good becomes second nature like using tooth brush in the morning. The judges, though they were doing their job, deserve a commendation. They did their job in a good way. They could have chosen to do the same job in a bad way. Law or justice is not an exact science. The 200 cars case should remind you of what I am trying to say
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>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:33 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Keyboard, 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am not commenting on the facts of that case. I have not read or heard enough to know what is happening in the courtroom. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I remain skeptical of awarding judges any awards about governance (corruption before fact and corruption after the fact deserve equal opprobrium!)
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>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> The fact is judge tembo had no proof that anybody was receiving a bribe. He should have restricted himself on the transactions or conversations between himself and Mpinganjira. Hey I thought lawyers or judges would be judicious with legal facts. Now we know brown was the conduit thanks to this excited judge. I thought you would condemn such conjecture.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:17 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not mentioned any name. I do not know why you decided to mention Lovemore. The fact that we have a case such as this is scandal enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a little familiarity with the politics of awards...I stopped a long ago celebrating them. And please do not dare to offer me one. I will refuse it in your face. 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Oct 31, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
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