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Dunstain Mwaungulu
dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com
Tue Sep 29 20:02:44 CAT 2020
The 40/60 ratio is another MASTER PIECE from Makawi. It is actually
40:40:20.
This miranda that the minimum for each gender is 40%. The 20% caters where
one gender is actually at 40 and cannot produce the other 20%. It shifts to
the gender with more. In practice, depending on numbers it will revert to
50:50 because there are enough candidates from either side. But it could
get let us day 57;43. But 40vmust be achieved where it is possible
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, 14:28 Levi Manda, <admanda2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Agree with Justice Mwaungulu .... and the imbalances must be
> rigorously researched, analysed and compiled for all to appreciate before
> they inform policy and, even worse, laws. What informed the
> precentagization of representation into 40:60/60:40 when the Malawi
> population is at 49.51 (men:women)?
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> This mentality of just xeroxing and pasting policies and laws should be
> vigorously challenged... and lawyers must lead in this fight. Because of
> our rush to appear smart today we are being forced to fit into formulae
> (40:60).
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> To be continued....
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> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 3:10 PM Dunstain Mwaungulu <
> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> My thesis as a libertarian and egalitarian is that quotas must exist
>> where there are limited resources and opportunities as a way of ensuring
>> equal access. Merit itself is a quota system. It must compete with or be
>> complementary to other quota systems. All quotas must consider the
>> following issues.
>>
>> 1. They must not confound the equality principle of equal access to
>> opportunities and resources based on discriminating factors under the
>> Constitution unless the Constitition ensbles. So that a quota system based
>> on place of origin, ethnicity is wrong in principle and invalid. On the
>> other hand a quota system that addresses imbalances based on those factors
>> would not be out. So a policy that addresses gender imbalance does not
>> offend.
>>
>> TO BE CONTINUED
>>
>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, 02:35 Ephraim Nyondo, <efnyondo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> “If selection was to be strictly on merit thete would be a time when
>>> Unima would have 99.99 percent students from the north.”
>>>
>>> These are literally lies, bereft all facts. The data is there for your
>>> reference.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 23:08, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used to dislike hate loathe quota until a friend of mine, a
>>>> notherner, a top civil servant explained to me. Students and teachers in
>>>> the northern region work hard and teach students to pass. They have few
>>>> distractions. Students and teachers in the centre and South teach to know.
>>>> And have many distractions including stinking cultural practices. If
>>>> selection was to be strictly on merit thete would be a time when Unima
>>>> would have 99.99 percent students from the north. I can imagine how Zomba
>>>> would look like. It would be a matter of time before all P4 and above in
>>>> the civil service would be northerners. This is a recipe for chaos. I have
>>>> since changed my opinion on quota. I think the govt of the nepotistic
>>>> pastor and the boy with the ugly head must tread carefully on the issue of
>>>> quota. They should not implement it or abolish it for political immediate
>>>> windfalls
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020, 10:30 Levi Manda, <admanda2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The law itself is kaput. How different is the gender quota(ing) from
>>>>> selecting students to University based on tribe? Is 60:40 not against
>>>>> section 20 (?) of the Constitution?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 18:12 Pat Chi <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> KPD,
>>>>>> yes its Gender Equality Act , 2013
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The preamble part as read with section 11 of the Act
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 13:49, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I Google I get 'Gender Equality Act" is there "Gender Equity
>>>>>>> Act?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This addresses GBV. Although I haven't gone through it, the intro
>>>>>>> shows that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a section that deals with appointments? One woman has
>>>>>>> already declined - if what I have heard is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 13:04 Pat Chi, <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This debate shows how deep our 'power that be/appointing authority'
>>>>>>>> do not focus on what is within the law. Appointments herein should have
>>>>>>>> shown that Gender Equity Act was consulted. Alas that was not the case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tikudikira mzungu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 07:42, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am with you Trevor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People are saying women were left out. Can we challenge ourselves
>>>>>>>>> to name 15 influential or professional women who should be included in the
>>>>>>>>> boards. Even 5 names.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would love to know the process for appointing board members. Is
>>>>>>>>> it the president alone? Do advisors get involved? Does cabinet get
>>>>>>>>> involved?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We should appreciate that this "Tonse Alliance" is a different
>>>>>>>>> animal. Those NINE parties want to have their people somewhere. I believe
>>>>>>>>> if it was the president and his party alone there could be some sort of
>>>>>>>>> balance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many of those NINE parties proposed a woman on the boards?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But then, board membership is not a full time job. What is so
>>>>>>>>> special about being included in something where your presence is required
>>>>>>>>> less than 4 times a year?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even DPP is failing to replace 2 incompetent women women
>>>>>>>>> commissioners with another 2 women. There would be another outcry if they
>>>>>>>>> were replaced with men.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 13:33 trevor chimimba, <
>>>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> KPD,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We cannot hide behind patriarchy. It is because it has to be
>>>>>>>>>> fought that culture cannot be an excuse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why does MACRA or ADMARC, or MERA (some important drivers of the
>>>>>>>>>> economy) and several others not have not even a single woman on the board?
>>>>>>>>>> You mean someone could not see this (And yet you other people serving on
>>>>>>>>>> more than one board), and said wait a minute this is not right.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our culture (to the extent you make it composite) respects women.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:22 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Inu a Mr Woyee,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mkazi waponderezwa on the appointment of board members ndi ndani?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I support women inclusion but it shouldn't be another quota
>>>>>>>>>> system. Countries in SADC have signed the 30% inclusion of women in
>>>>>>>>>> politics. I don't know which SADC country has managed 20%. Not even in the
>>>>>>>>>> proportional representation system of South Africa.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for the pastor, if you want elections then expect that any
>>>>>>>>>> candidate has a chance of winning, in any a free and fair election. Fair
>>>>>>>>>> right up to counting and compilation of results without Tippex.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can put, in bold, women inclusion in our constitution or
>>>>>>>>>> statutes but if we don't change cultural beliefs nothing will happen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Go into majority of Malawian houses and you still find wives
>>>>>>>>>> kneeling in front of their husbands like a child - just to tell him to go
>>>>>>>>>> and bath in a house with a shower and bathtub. We still have wives sitting
>>>>>>>>>> the kitchen floor with children while the husband sits at the table eating
>>>>>>>>>> alone or with a boy child.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you come here to shout on top of your voices that you support
>>>>>>>>>> women rights and women inclusion. How can a girl child who hrowd up in a
>>>>>>>>>> household where the mother is treated like a maid be liberated?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Change the cultural beliefs and you will be spoiled by the number
>>>>>>>>>> of women who can take up any responsibility that a man can have.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You go out and shout women rights when you expect your wives to
>>>>>>>>>> kneel just to tell you food is on the table. How can your daughter think
>>>>>>>>>> she can challenge a man when she has never seen you cooking and wash the
>>>>>>>>>> plates?.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are hypocrites who shout and sound holier than thou to
>>>>>>>>>> impress the world when your own daughter is expected to cook, wash her
>>>>>>>>>> brother's clothes and hardly has time to do school work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I repeat. It is the cultural servitude in homes that is stifling
>>>>>>>>>> women. It is a national psychic that we are happy to see women dancing and
>>>>>>>>>> being given teachers' salaries. If she feeds her family from mere dancing
>>>>>>>>>> what will inspire her daughters?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So put out the theoretical figures of 30, 40 50% women
>>>>>>>>>> participation. Unless we change the basics from inside our homes and our
>>>>>>>>>> thinking as a nation, nothing will happen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 10:15 Maybach Woyee, <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The moment we will have a woman as a Pope or Sheikh, is the day
>>>>>>>>>>> women will stop fighting for their rights. The moment both a boy and girl
>>>>>>>>>>> will be allowed to put on dresses in class, stand in front of the class and
>>>>>>>>>>> put their heads down while legs up, then tears of women will go. I
>>>>>>>>>>> personally hate it when men love to palm oil women on gender equality while
>>>>>>>>>>> they tramp on them. Women are powerful, strong leaders than men. To see
>>>>>>>>>>> women being sidelined in 2020 in various public positions makes me sick.
>>>>>>>>>>> Prisons are full of men not women, most thugs out there are men not women,
>>>>>>>>>>> any President including the nepotistic Pastor who sideline women therefore
>>>>>>>>>>> is a thug and thief. He or she chooses to surround themselves with fellow
>>>>>>>>>>> thugs. I have no apologies, women deserve the best. Zauchitsiru ine ayi. In
>>>>>>>>>>> 2020, we can not be talking or debating about women rights and positions in
>>>>>>>>>>> society. The nepotistic Pastor would have done better after staying in
>>>>>>>>>>> opposition for long on the plight of women. Women are not dancing toys.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ndakwiya kwambiri.
>>>>>>>>>>> MB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep. 2020, 09:47 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dunstain,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt if KB has followed your argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your argument is the same as asking for volunteers from a group
>>>>>>>>>>>> of people. You have more than enough volunteers and you select the number
>>>>>>>>>>>> you need. Suddenly someone says you have left out those who didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Women participation in politics and other publicly competed for
>>>>>>>>>>>> positions is rooted in our culture. Women activists in our society are
>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at with disdain. Majority who dare are usually single or become
>>>>>>>>>>>> single.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In a society where marriage is highly regarded and sort after,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the focus by our ladies is on what can qualify them as a good wife or wife
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be. Activism or competed for public office doesn't in the nicely fit as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a qualification for marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to your post. I would be happy if you provide names of
>>>>>>>>>>>> women that were submitted but left out. Or names of women who are
>>>>>>>>>>>> interested and are capable. Not just the usual noisy ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You argument suggests that we should go out there and drag out
>>>>>>>>>>>> women, screaming and kicking and give them positions of responsibility. Up
>>>>>>>>>>>> to, maybe, 1986 no single girl was ever admitted to do Engineering at Poly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they were applying and never got admitted. It was
>>>>>>>>>>>> believed, at the time, that Engineering was for boys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your theories are jumping the gun. You are assuming that we now
>>>>>>>>>>>> have liberated women who are ready to take any responsibility. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> usually very few names we keep hearing. Has the pool of such ladies grown
>>>>>>>>>>>> that we are now spoiled for choice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Putting out % for something that you don't have doesn't make
>>>>>>>>>>>> sense. If someone here can give names of capable women who put up their
>>>>>>>>>>>> hands and were not considered then I am game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can't assume that Martha or Nini want to be in parastatal
>>>>>>>>>>>> boards if they haven't shown interestor no one proposed their names. It has
>>>>>>>>>>>> taken a long time for board members to be announced that during that period
>>>>>>>>>>>> you could have submitted names of women who should be appointed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If that was done then you can come here and say, "I am aware of
>>>>>>>>>>>> good capable women who have been left out because I submitted their names."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the solution? Let us go to the basics. Give ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>> time frame, say by 2025, we should have a pool of bold daring women who can
>>>>>>>>>>>> raise their hands when their services are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How? Train our daughters to think independently and not believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> that their survival and success is dependent on a man or marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 08:39 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CENTRE FOR LAW AND POLICY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gender minimum levels
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The minimum 40% gender is a neutral formulation for either
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gender. It caters for conceptual overflows and merit beyond gender. Look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> three scenarios.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Where there are many female in the spectrum. The remaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20% can be wholly or mainly female
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Where there are many males, 20% can be wholly or mainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> male.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.the 20% can cater for other things like professionalism,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disability, localisation, etc BUT EQUALLY ON GENDER ONDIDERATION
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a misunderstanding about my earlier posting. I said
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that in the next appointment there should be the 40% rationalisation. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in ration to judicial appointments.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But in relation to this, our male folk in principle should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resign to enable their political parties to submit names based on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gender formulation to enable the President who, obviously, was not advised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or properly advised on the matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is any President who wants to set things right and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with decorum, it is this Predident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not see how men can look in the face of women tonight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say this is right! Obviously, our women are once again victims of a Male
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dominated society. That is undemocratic and unacceptable in a democratic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of people when I raise things like these, for example
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that under the Constitution, the legislature cannot legislate for the death
>>>>>>>>>>>>> penalty, retort and say it is done in the US or elsewhere. The answer is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weak defence. Our constitution prides in its UNIQUENESS and is unrivalled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if not the best in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We must abide by our UNIQUE Constitution. Our Constution
>>>>>>>>>>>>> required us to respect rights in the Constition and rights created by laws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very progressive. We as a country and sovereign must abide by law including
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (customary) international law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any organisation meeting the section 15 criteria MUST access
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Courts and wipe out this gross injustice against women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And our male folk, must resign from the appointments to enable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the President, on better advice, to do the lawful and right thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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