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Nini Sulamoyo
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Tue Sep 29 15:40:25 CAT 2020
I will be fine. Better be somewhere than offend people I have not met. I
will be okey, PLEASE PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME.
Nini Brenda Sulamoyo-Ruebush
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 3:24 PM Maybach Woyee <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com wrote:
> Nini,
> You must be missing rich discussions on this forum. Please don't get out,
> we need many women here. This is not Tonse Alliance that hates women.
> Reading comments from Gospel Kazako makes me wonder whether he is trying to
> be more Catholic than the Pope himself on women inclusion.
>
> On Tue, 29 Sep. 2020, 15:01 Nini Sulamoyo, <ninisulamoyo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If it can unsubscribe me yeah go ahead and unlist me. Sindimuuza Jean
>> koma. 😁. Go ahead. My inbox is overwhelmed.
>>
>> Nini Brenda Sulamoyo-Ruebush
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 2:52 PM trevor chimimba <trevorchimimba at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nini,
>>>
>>> I do not know about you but the uni scribe icon is staring right at me.
>>> I can click on it any time.
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Nini Sulamoyo <ninisulamoyo at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Surely someone can remove me. I am no longer interested to participate
>>> on the forum.
>>>
>>> Nini Brenda Sulamoyo-Ruebush
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:49 AM trevor chimimba <trevorchimimba at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nini,
>>>>
>>>> We are not supposed to assist another commit suicide here!
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:24 AM, Nini Sulamoyo <ninisulamoyo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can someone remove me from the circulation list please.
>>>>
>>>> Nini Brenda Sulamoyo-Ruebush
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 12:32 AM trevor chimimba <
>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But Levi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The same section 20 of the constitution that you refer to has a
>>>>> paragraph (2), which says legislation “may be passed addressing
>>>>> inequalities in society and prohibiting discriminatory practices and the
>>>>> propagation of such practices and may render such practices criminally
>>>>> punishable by the courts”.
>>>>>
>>>>> The paragraph seems clear to me. Positive discriminating is
>>>>> constitutional.
>>>>>
>>>>> Join the mob!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Levi Manda <admanda2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Different readings. People will always justify mob thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 12:46 trevor chimimba <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Levi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Section 20 of the constitution allows positive discrimination (to
>>>>>> address historical inequalities). There is a proviso to that effect the
>>>>>> last time I check the Constitution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patriarchy has many fathers, and mothers too, it seems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 4:30 AM, Levi Manda <admanda2002 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The law itself is kaput. How different is the gender quota(ing) from
>>>>>> selecting students to University based on tribe? Is 60:40 not against
>>>>>> section 20 (?) of the Constitution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 18:12 Pat Chi <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KPD,
>>>>>>> yes its Gender Equality Act , 2013
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The preamble part as read with section 11 of the Act
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 13:49, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I Google I get 'Gender Equality Act" is there "Gender Equity
>>>>>>>> Act?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This addresses GBV. Although I haven't gone through it, the intro
>>>>>>>> shows that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a section that deals with appointments? One woman has
>>>>>>>> already declined - if what I have heard is true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 13:04 Pat Chi, <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This debate shows how deep our 'power that be/appointing
>>>>>>>>> authority' do not focus on what is within the law. Appointments herein
>>>>>>>>> should have shown that Gender Equity Act was consulted. Alas that was not
>>>>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tikudikira mzungu
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 07:42, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am with you Trevor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People are saying women were left out. Can we challenge ourselves
>>>>>>>>>> to name 15 influential or professional women who should be included in the
>>>>>>>>>> boards. Even 5 names.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would love to know the process for appointing board members. Is
>>>>>>>>>> it the president alone? Do advisors get involved? Does cabinet get
>>>>>>>>>> involved?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We should appreciate that this "Tonse Alliance" is a different
>>>>>>>>>> animal. Those NINE parties want to have their people somewhere. I believe
>>>>>>>>>> if it was the president and his party alone there could be some sort of
>>>>>>>>>> balance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How many of those NINE parties proposed a woman on the boards?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But then, board membership is not a full time job. What is so
>>>>>>>>>> special about being included in something where your presence is required
>>>>>>>>>> less than 4 times a year?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even DPP is failing to replace 2 incompetent women women
>>>>>>>>>> commissioners with another 2 women. There would be another outcry if they
>>>>>>>>>> were replaced with men.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 13:33 trevor chimimba, <
>>>>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> KPD,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We cannot hide behind patriarchy. It is because it has to be
>>>>>>>>>>> fought that culture cannot be an excuse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why does MACRA or ADMARC, or MERA (some important drivers of the
>>>>>>>>>>> economy) and several others not have not even a single woman on the board?
>>>>>>>>>>> You mean someone could not see this (And yet you other people serving on
>>>>>>>>>>> more than one board), and said wait a minute this is not right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Our culture (to the extent you make it composite) respects women.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:22 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Inu a Mr Woyee,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mkazi waponderezwa on the appointment of board members ndi ndani?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I support women inclusion but it shouldn't be another quota
>>>>>>>>>>> system. Countries in SADC have signed the 30% inclusion of women in
>>>>>>>>>>> politics. I don't know which SADC country has managed 20%. Not even in the
>>>>>>>>>>> proportional representation system of South Africa.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for the pastor, if you want elections then expect that any
>>>>>>>>>>> candidate has a chance of winning, in any a free and fair election. Fair
>>>>>>>>>>> right up to counting and compilation of results without Tippex.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can put, in bold, women inclusion in our constitution or
>>>>>>>>>>> statutes but if we don't change cultural beliefs nothing will happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Go into majority of Malawian houses and you still find wives
>>>>>>>>>>> kneeling in front of their husbands like a child - just to tell him to go
>>>>>>>>>>> and bath in a house with a shower and bathtub. We still have wives sitting
>>>>>>>>>>> the kitchen floor with children while the husband sits at the table eating
>>>>>>>>>>> alone or with a boy child.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you come here to shout on top of your voices that you
>>>>>>>>>>> support women rights and women inclusion. How can a girl child who hrowd up
>>>>>>>>>>> in a household where the mother is treated like a maid be liberated?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Change the cultural beliefs and you will be spoiled by the
>>>>>>>>>>> number of women who can take up any responsibility that a man can have.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You go out and shout women rights when you expect your wives to
>>>>>>>>>>> kneel just to tell you food is on the table. How can your daughter think
>>>>>>>>>>> she can challenge a man when she has never seen you cooking and wash the
>>>>>>>>>>> plates?.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are hypocrites who shout and sound holier than thou to
>>>>>>>>>>> impress the world when your own daughter is expected to cook, wash her
>>>>>>>>>>> brother's clothes and hardly has time to do school work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I repeat. It is the cultural servitude in homes that is stifling
>>>>>>>>>>> women. It is a national psychic that we are happy to see women dancing and
>>>>>>>>>>> being given teachers' salaries. If she feeds her family from mere dancing
>>>>>>>>>>> what will inspire her daughters?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So put out the theoretical figures of 30, 40 50% women
>>>>>>>>>>> participation. Unless we change the basics from inside our homes and our
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking as a nation, nothing will happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 10:15 Maybach Woyee, <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The moment we will have a woman as a Pope or Sheikh, is the day
>>>>>>>>>>>> women will stop fighting for their rights. The moment both a boy and girl
>>>>>>>>>>>> will be allowed to put on dresses in class, stand in front of the class and
>>>>>>>>>>>> put their heads down while legs up, then tears of women will go. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally hate it when men love to palm oil women on gender equality while
>>>>>>>>>>>> they tramp on them. Women are powerful, strong leaders than men. To see
>>>>>>>>>>>> women being sidelined in 2020 in various public positions makes me sick.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prisons are full of men not women, most thugs out there are men not women,
>>>>>>>>>>>> any President including the nepotistic Pastor who sideline women therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a thug and thief. He or she chooses to surround themselves with fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>> thugs. I have no apologies, women deserve the best. Zauchitsiru ine ayi. In
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2020, we can not be talking or debating about women rights and positions in
>>>>>>>>>>>> society. The nepotistic Pastor would have done better after staying in
>>>>>>>>>>>> opposition for long on the plight of women. Women are not dancing toys.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ndakwiya kwambiri.
>>>>>>>>>>>> MB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep. 2020, 09:47 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dunstain,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt if KB has followed your argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your argument is the same as asking for volunteers from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> group of people. You have more than enough volunteers and you select the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> number you need. Suddenly someone says you have left out those who didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Women participation in politics and other publicly competed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for positions is rooted in our culture. Women activists in our society are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at with disdain. Majority who dare are usually single or become
>>>>>>>>>>>>> single.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a society where marriage is highly regarded and sort after,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the focus by our ladies is on what can qualify them as a good wife or wife
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be. Activism or competed for public office doesn't in the nicely fit as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a qualification for marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to your post. I would be happy if you provide names of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> women that were submitted but left out. Or names of women who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested and are capable. Not just the usual noisy ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You argument suggests that we should go out there and drag out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> women, screaming and kicking and give them positions of responsibility. Up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to, maybe, 1986 no single girl was ever admitted to do Engineering at Poly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they were applying and never got admitted. It was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> believed, at the time, that Engineering was for boys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your theories are jumping the gun. You are assuming that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now have liberated women who are ready to take any responsibility. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually very few names we keep hearing. Has the pool of such ladies grown
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we are now spoiled for choice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putting out % for something that you don't have doesn't make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense. If someone here can give names of capable women who put up their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands and were not considered then I am game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can't assume that Martha or Nini want to be in parastatal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> boards if they haven't shown interestor no one proposed their names. It has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken a long time for board members to be announced that during that period
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you could have submitted names of women who should be appointed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that was done then you can come here and say, "I am aware
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of good capable women who have been left out because I submitted their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> names."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the solution? Let us go to the basics. Give ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time frame, say by 2025, we should have a pool of bold daring women who can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> raise their hands when their services are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How? Train our daughters to think independently and not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that their survival and success is dependent on a man or marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 08:39 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CENTRE FOR LAW AND POLICY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gender minimum levels
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The minimum 40% gender is a neutral formulation for either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gender. It caters for conceptual overflows and merit beyond gender. Look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three scenarios.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Where there are many female in the spectrum. The remaining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20% can be wholly or mainly female
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Where there are many males, 20% can be wholly or mainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> male.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.the 20% can cater for other things like professionalism,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disability, localisation, etc BUT EQUALLY ON GENDER ONDIDERATION
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a misunderstanding about my earlier posting. I said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that in the next appointment there should be the 40% rationalisation. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in ration to judicial appointments.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But in relation to this, our male folk in principle should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resign to enable their political parties to submit names based on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gender formulation to enable the President who, obviously, was not advised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or properly advised on the matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is any President who wants to set things right and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with decorum, it is this Predident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not see how men can look in the face of women tonight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and say this is right! Obviously, our women are once again victims of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Male dominated society. That is undemocratic and unacceptable in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> democratic society.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of people when I raise things like these, for example
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that under the Constitution, the legislature cannot legislate for the death
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> penalty, retort and say it is done in the US or elsewhere. The answer is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weak defence. Our constitution prides in its UNIQUENESS and is unrivalled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if not the best in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We must abide by our UNIQUE Constitution. Our Constution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required us to respect rights in the Constition and rights created by laws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very progressive. We as a country and sovereign must abide by law including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (customary) international law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any organisation meeting the section 15 criteria MUST access
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Courts and wipe out this gross injustice against women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And our male folk, must resign from the appointments to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enable the President, on better advice, to do the lawful and right thing.
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