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On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 2:52 PM trevor chimimba <trevorchimimba at gmail.com
wrote:

> Nini,
>
> I do not know about you but the uni scribe icon is staring right at me. I
> can click on it any time.
>
> On Sep 29, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Nini Sulamoyo <ninisulamoyo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Surely someone can remove me. I am no longer interested to participate on
> the forum.
>
> Nini Brenda Sulamoyo-Ruebush
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:49 AM trevor chimimba <trevorchimimba at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Nini,
>>
>> We are not supposed to assist another commit suicide here!
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:24 AM, Nini Sulamoyo <ninisulamoyo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Can someone remove me from the circulation list please.
>>
>> Nini Brenda Sulamoyo-Ruebush
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 12:32 AM trevor chimimba <trevorchimimba at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But Levi,
>>>
>>> The same section 20  of the constitution that you refer to has a
>>> paragraph (2), which says legislation “may be passed addressing
>>> inequalities in society and prohibiting discriminatory practices and the
>>> propagation of such practices and may render such practices criminally
>>> punishable by the courts”.
>>>
>>> The paragraph seems clear to me. Positive discriminating is
>>> constitutional.
>>>
>>> Join the mob!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Levi Manda <admanda2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>  Different readings. People will always justify mob thinking.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 12:46 trevor chimimba <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Levi,
>>>>
>>>> Section 20 of the constitution allows positive discrimination (to
>>>> address historical inequalities). There is a proviso to that effect the
>>>> last time I check the Constitution.
>>>>
>>>> Patriarchy has many fathers, and mothers too, it seems.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 4:30 AM, Levi Manda <admanda2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> The law itself is kaput. How different is the gender quota(ing) from
>>>> selecting students to University based on tribe? Is 60:40 not against
>>>> section 20 (?) of the Constitution?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 18:12 Pat Chi <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> KPD,
>>>>> yes its Gender Equality Act , 2013
>>>>>
>>>>> The preamble part  as read with section 11 of the Act
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 13:49, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I Google I get 'Gender Equality Act" is there "Gender Equity
>>>>>> Act?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This addresses GBV. Although I haven't  gone through it, the intro
>>>>>> shows that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a section that deals with appointments? One woman has
>>>>>> already declined - if what I have heard is true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 13:04 Pat Chi, <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This debate shows how deep our 'power that be/appointing authority'
>>>>>>> do not focus on what is within the law. Appointments herein should have
>>>>>>> shown that Gender Equity Act was consulted. Alas that was not the case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tikudikira mzungu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 07:42, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am with you Trevor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People are saying women were left out. Can we challenge ourselves
>>>>>>>> to name 15 influential or professional women who should be included in the
>>>>>>>> boards. Even 5 names.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would love to know the process for appointing board members. Is
>>>>>>>> it the president alone? Do  advisors get involved? Does cabinet get
>>>>>>>> involved?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We should appreciate that this "Tonse Alliance" is a different
>>>>>>>> animal. Those NINE parties want to have their people somewhere. I believe
>>>>>>>> if it was the president and his party alone there could be some sort of
>>>>>>>> balance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many of those NINE parties proposed a woman on the boards?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But then, board membership is not a full time job. What is so
>>>>>>>> special about being included in something where your presence is required
>>>>>>>> less than 4 times a year?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even DPP is failing to replace 2 incompetent women women
>>>>>>>> commissioners with another 2 women. There would be another outcry if they
>>>>>>>> were replaced with men.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 13:33 trevor chimimba, <
>>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> KPD,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We cannot hide behind patriarchy. It is because it has to be
>>>>>>>>> fought that culture cannot be an excuse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why does MACRA or ADMARC, or MERA (some important drivers of the
>>>>>>>>> economy) and several others not have not even a single woman on the board?
>>>>>>>>> You mean someone could not see this (And yet you other people serving on
>>>>>>>>> more than one board), and said wait a minute this is not right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our culture (to the extent you make it composite) respects women.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:22 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Inu a Mr Woyee,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mkazi waponderezwa on the appointment of board members ndi ndani?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I support women inclusion but it shouldn't be another quota
>>>>>>>>> system. Countries in SADC have signed the 30% inclusion of women in
>>>>>>>>> politics. I don't know which SADC country has managed 20%. Not even in the
>>>>>>>>> proportional representation system of South Africa.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for the pastor, if you want elections then expect that any
>>>>>>>>> candidate has a chance of winning, in any a free and fair election. Fair
>>>>>>>>> right up to counting and compilation of results without Tippex.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can put, in bold, women inclusion in our constitution or
>>>>>>>>> statutes but if we don't change cultural beliefs nothing will happen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Go into majority of Malawian houses and you still find wives
>>>>>>>>> kneeling in front of their husbands like a child - just to tell him to go
>>>>>>>>> and bath in a house with a shower and bathtub. We still have wives sitting
>>>>>>>>> the kitchen floor with children while the husband sits at the table eating
>>>>>>>>> alone or with a boy child.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you come here to shout on top of your voices that you support
>>>>>>>>> women rights and women inclusion. How can a girl child who hrowd up in a
>>>>>>>>> household where the mother is treated like a maid be liberated?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Change the cultural beliefs and you will be spoiled by the number
>>>>>>>>> of women who can take up any responsibility that a man can have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You go out and shout women rights when you expect your wives to
>>>>>>>>> kneel just to tell you food is on the table. How can your daughter think
>>>>>>>>> she can challenge a man when she has never seen you cooking and wash the
>>>>>>>>> plates?.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are hypocrites who shout and sound holier than thou to impress
>>>>>>>>> the world when your own daughter is expected to cook, wash her brother's
>>>>>>>>> clothes and hardly has time to do school work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I repeat. It is the cultural servitude in homes that is stifling
>>>>>>>>> women. It is a national psychic that we are happy to see women dancing and
>>>>>>>>> being given teachers' salaries. If she feeds her family from mere dancing
>>>>>>>>> what will inspire her daughters?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So put out the theoretical figures of 30, 40 50% women
>>>>>>>>> participation. Unless we change the basics from inside our homes and our
>>>>>>>>> thinking as a nation, nothing will happen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 10:15 Maybach Woyee, <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The moment we will have a woman as a Pope or Sheikh, is the day
>>>>>>>>>> women will stop fighting for their rights. The moment both a boy and girl
>>>>>>>>>> will be allowed to put on dresses in class, stand in front of the class and
>>>>>>>>>> put their heads down while legs up, then tears of women will go. I
>>>>>>>>>> personally hate it when men love to palm oil women on gender equality while
>>>>>>>>>> they tramp on them. Women are powerful, strong leaders than men. To see
>>>>>>>>>> women being sidelined in 2020 in various public positions makes me sick.
>>>>>>>>>> Prisons are full of men not women, most thugs out there are men not women,
>>>>>>>>>> any President including the nepotistic Pastor who sideline women therefore
>>>>>>>>>> is a thug and thief. He or she chooses to surround themselves with fellow
>>>>>>>>>> thugs. I have no apologies, women deserve the best. Zauchitsiru ine ayi. In
>>>>>>>>>> 2020, we can not be talking or debating about women rights and positions in
>>>>>>>>>> society. The nepotistic Pastor would have done better after staying in
>>>>>>>>>> opposition for long on the plight of women. Women are not dancing toys.
>>>>>>>>>> Ndakwiya kwambiri.
>>>>>>>>>> MB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep. 2020, 09:47 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dunstain,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt if KB has followed your argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your argument is the same as asking for volunteers from a group
>>>>>>>>>>> of people. You have more than enough volunteers and you select the number
>>>>>>>>>>> you need. Suddenly someone says you have left out those who didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Women participation in politics and other publicly competed for
>>>>>>>>>>> positions is rooted in our culture. Women activists in our society are
>>>>>>>>>>> looked at with disdain. Majority who dare are usually single or become
>>>>>>>>>>> single.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In a society where marriage is highly regarded and sort after,
>>>>>>>>>>> the focus by our ladies is on what can qualify them as a good wife or wife
>>>>>>>>>>> to be. Activism or competed for public office doesn't in the nicely fit as
>>>>>>>>>>> a qualification for marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Back to your post. I would be happy if you provide names of
>>>>>>>>>>> women that were submitted but left out. Or names of women who are
>>>>>>>>>>> interested and are capable. Not just the usual noisy ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You argument suggests that we should go out there and drag out
>>>>>>>>>>> women, screaming and kicking and give them positions of responsibility. Up
>>>>>>>>>>> to, maybe, 1986 no single girl was ever admitted to do Engineering at Poly.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they were applying and never got admitted.  It was
>>>>>>>>>>> believed, at the time, that Engineering was for boys.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your theories are jumping the gun. You are assuming that we now
>>>>>>>>>>> have liberated women who are ready to take any responsibility. It is
>>>>>>>>>>> usually very few names we keep hearing. Has the pool of such ladies grown
>>>>>>>>>>> that we are now spoiled for choice?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Putting out % for something that you don't have doesn't make
>>>>>>>>>>> sense. If someone here can give names of capable women who put up their
>>>>>>>>>>> hands and were not considered then I am game.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can't assume that Martha or Nini want to be in parastatal
>>>>>>>>>>> boards if they haven't shown interestor no one proposed their names. It has
>>>>>>>>>>> taken a long time for board members to be announced that during that period
>>>>>>>>>>> you could have submitted names of women who should be appointed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If that was done then you can come here and say, "I am aware of
>>>>>>>>>>> good capable women who have been left out because I submitted their names."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What is the solution? Let us go to the basics. Give ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>> time frame, say by 2025, we should have a pool of bold daring women who can
>>>>>>>>>>> raise their hands when their services are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How? Train our daughters to think independently and not believe
>>>>>>>>>>> that their survival and success is dependent on a man or marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 08:39 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CENTRE FOR LAW AND POLICY
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gender minimum levels
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The minimum 40% gender is a neutral formulation for either
>>>>>>>>>>>> gender. It caters for conceptual overflows and merit beyond gender. Look at
>>>>>>>>>>>> three scenarios.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Where there are many female in the spectrum. The remaining
>>>>>>>>>>>> 20% can be wholly or mainly female
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Where there are many males, 20% can be wholly or mainly male.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.the 20% can cater for other things like professionalism,
>>>>>>>>>>>> disability, localisation, etc BUT EQUALLY ON GENDER  ONDIDERATION
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a misunderstanding about my earlier posting. I said
>>>>>>>>>>>> that in the next appointment there should be the 40% rationalisation. That
>>>>>>>>>>>> was in ration to judicial appointments.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But in relation to this, our male folk in principle should
>>>>>>>>>>>> resign to enable their political parties to submit names based on this
>>>>>>>>>>>> gender formulation to enable the President who, obviously, was not advised
>>>>>>>>>>>> or properly advised on the matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is any President who wants to set things right and
>>>>>>>>>>>> with decorum, it is this Predident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not see how men can look in the face of women tonight and
>>>>>>>>>>>> say this is right! Obviously, our women are once again victims of a Male
>>>>>>>>>>>> dominated society. That is undemocratic and unacceptable in a democratic
>>>>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of people when I raise things like these, for example that
>>>>>>>>>>>> under the Constitution, the legislature cannot legislate for the death
>>>>>>>>>>>> penalty, retort and say it is done in the US or elsewhere. The answer is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> weak defence. Our  constitution prides in its UNIQUENESS and is unrivalled
>>>>>>>>>>>> if not the best in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We must abide by our UNIQUE Constitution. Our Constution
>>>>>>>>>>>> required us to respect rights in the Constition and rights created by laws.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very progressive. We as a country and sovereign must abide by law including
>>>>>>>>>>>> (customary) international law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any organisation meeting the section 15 criteria MUST access
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Courts and wipe out this gross injustice against women.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And our male folk, must resign from the appointments to enable
>>>>>>>>>>>> the President, on better advice, to do the lawful and right thing.
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