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Tue Sep 29 14:08:57 CAT 2020

Interesting how people use feelings to create policy.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 12:17 Felix Mnthali <fm5511 at gmail.com> wrote:

> There was no quota when top students were chosen as Staff Associates or
> Staff Development Fellows. Zomba was never overwhelmed by so-called
> northerners.
> The discarding of MERIT in favour of quotas is what took this country down
> the slippery road of a dismal mediocrity.
>
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020, 23:08 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I used to dislike hate loathe quota until a friend of mine, a notherner,
>> a top civil servant explained to me. Students and teachers in the northern
>> region work hard and teach students to pass. They have few distractions.
>> Students and teachers in the centre and South teach to know. And have many
>> distractions including stinking cultural practices. If selection was to be
>> strictly on merit thete would be a time when Unima would have 99.99 percent
>> students from the north. I can imagine how Zomba would look like. It would
>> be a matter of time before all P4 and above in the civil service would be
>> northerners. This is a recipe for chaos. I have since changed my opinion on
>> quota. I think the govt of the nepotistic pastor and the boy with the ugly
>> head must tread carefully on the issue of quota. They should not implement
>> it or abolish it  for political immediate windfalls
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020, 10:30 Levi Manda, <admanda2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The law itself is kaput. How different is the gender quota(ing) from
>>> selecting students to University based on tribe? Is 60:40 not against
>>> section 20 (?) of the Constitution?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 18:12 Pat Chi <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> KPD,
>>>> yes its Gender Equality Act , 2013
>>>>
>>>> The preamble part  as read with section 11 of the Act
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 13:49, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>
>>>>> When I Google I get 'Gender Equality Act" is there "Gender Equity Act?"
>>>>>
>>>>> This addresses GBV. Although I haven't  gone through it, the intro
>>>>> shows that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a section that deals with appointments? One woman has already
>>>>> declined - if what I have heard is true.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 13:04 Pat Chi, <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This debate shows how deep our 'power that be/appointing authority'
>>>>>> do not focus on what is within the law. Appointments herein should have
>>>>>> shown that Gender Equity Act was consulted. Alas that was not the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tikudikira mzungu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 07:42, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am with you Trevor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People are saying women were left out. Can we challenge ourselves to
>>>>>>> name 15 influential or professional women who should be included in the
>>>>>>> boards. Even 5 names.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would love to know the process for appointing board members. Is it
>>>>>>> the president alone? Do  advisors get involved? Does cabinet get involved?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should appreciate that this "Tonse Alliance" is a different
>>>>>>> animal. Those NINE parties want to have their people somewhere. I believe
>>>>>>> if it was the president and his party alone there could be some sort of
>>>>>>> balance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many of those NINE parties proposed a woman on the boards?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then, board membership is not a full time job. What is so
>>>>>>> special about being included in something where your presence is required
>>>>>>> less than 4 times a year?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even DPP is failing to replace 2 incompetent women women
>>>>>>> commissioners with another 2 women. There would be another outcry if they
>>>>>>> were replaced with men.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 13:33 trevor chimimba, <
>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> KPD,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We cannot hide behind patriarchy. It is because it has to be fought
>>>>>>>> that culture cannot be an excuse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why does MACRA or ADMARC, or MERA (some important drivers of the
>>>>>>>> economy) and several others not have not even a single woman on the board?
>>>>>>>> You mean someone could not see this (And yet you other people serving on
>>>>>>>> more than one board), and said wait a minute this is not right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our culture (to the extent you make it composite) respects women.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:22 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Inu a Mr Woyee,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mkazi waponderezwa on the appointment of board members ndi ndani?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I support women inclusion but it shouldn't be another quota system.
>>>>>>>> Countries in SADC have signed the 30% inclusion of women in politics. I
>>>>>>>> don't know which SADC country has managed 20%. Not even in the proportional
>>>>>>>> representation system of South Africa.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the pastor, if you want elections then expect that any
>>>>>>>> candidate has a chance of winning, in any a free and fair election. Fair
>>>>>>>> right up to counting and compilation of results without Tippex.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can put, in bold, women inclusion in our constitution or
>>>>>>>> statutes but if we don't change cultural beliefs nothing will happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Go into majority of Malawian houses and you still find wives
>>>>>>>> kneeling in front of their husbands like a child - just to tell him to go
>>>>>>>> and bath in a house with a shower and bathtub. We still have wives sitting
>>>>>>>> the kitchen floor with children while the husband sits at the table eating
>>>>>>>> alone or with a boy child.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you come here to shout on top of your voices that you support
>>>>>>>> women rights and women inclusion. How can a girl child who hrowd up in a
>>>>>>>> household where the mother is treated like a maid be liberated?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Change the cultural beliefs and you will be spoiled by the number
>>>>>>>> of women who can take up any responsibility that a man can have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You go out and shout women rights when you expect your wives to
>>>>>>>> kneel just to tell you food is on the table. How can your daughter think
>>>>>>>> she can challenge a man when she has never seen you cooking and wash the
>>>>>>>> plates?.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are hypocrites who shout and sound holier than thou to impress
>>>>>>>> the world when your own daughter is expected to cook, wash her brother's
>>>>>>>> clothes and hardly has time to do school work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I repeat. It is the cultural servitude in homes that is stifling
>>>>>>>> women. It is a national psychic that we are happy to see women dancing and
>>>>>>>> being given teachers' salaries. If she feeds her family from mere dancing
>>>>>>>> what will inspire her daughters?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So put out the theoretical figures of 30, 40 50% women
>>>>>>>> participation. Unless we change the basics from inside our homes and our
>>>>>>>> thinking as a nation, nothing will happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 10:15 Maybach Woyee, <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The moment we will have a woman as a Pope or Sheikh, is the day
>>>>>>>>> women will stop fighting for their rights. The moment both a boy and girl
>>>>>>>>> will be allowed to put on dresses in class, stand in front of the class and
>>>>>>>>> put their heads down while legs up, then tears of women will go. I
>>>>>>>>> personally hate it when men love to palm oil women on gender equality while
>>>>>>>>> they tramp on them. Women are powerful, strong leaders than men. To see
>>>>>>>>> women being sidelined in 2020 in various public positions makes me sick.
>>>>>>>>> Prisons are full of men not women, most thugs out there are men not women,
>>>>>>>>> any President including the nepotistic Pastor who sideline women therefore
>>>>>>>>> is a thug and thief. He or she chooses to surround themselves with fellow
>>>>>>>>> thugs. I have no apologies, women deserve the best. Zauchitsiru ine ayi. In
>>>>>>>>> 2020, we can not be talking or debating about women rights and positions in
>>>>>>>>> society. The nepotistic Pastor would have done better after staying in
>>>>>>>>> opposition for long on the plight of women. Women are not dancing toys.
>>>>>>>>> Ndakwiya kwambiri.
>>>>>>>>> MB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep. 2020, 09:47 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dunstain,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I doubt if KB has followed your argument.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your argument is the same as asking for volunteers from a group
>>>>>>>>>> of people. You have more than enough volunteers and you select the number
>>>>>>>>>> you need. Suddenly someone says you have left out those who didn't
>>>>>>>>>> volunteer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Women participation in politics and other publicly competed for
>>>>>>>>>> positions is rooted in our culture. Women activists in our society are
>>>>>>>>>> looked at with disdain. Majority who dare are usually single or become
>>>>>>>>>> single.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In a society where marriage is highly regarded and sort after,
>>>>>>>>>> the focus by our ladies is on what can qualify them as a good wife or wife
>>>>>>>>>> to be. Activism or competed for public office doesn't in the nicely fit as
>>>>>>>>>> a qualification for marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Back to your post. I would be happy if you provide names of women
>>>>>>>>>> that were submitted but left out. Or names of women who are interested and
>>>>>>>>>> are capable. Not just the usual noisy ones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You argument suggests that we should go out there and drag out
>>>>>>>>>> women, screaming and kicking and give them positions of responsibility. Up
>>>>>>>>>> to, maybe, 1986 no single girl was ever admitted to do Engineering at Poly.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if they were applying and never got admitted.  It was
>>>>>>>>>> believed, at the time, that Engineering was for boys.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your theories are jumping the gun. You are assuming that we now
>>>>>>>>>> have liberated women who are ready to take any responsibility. It is
>>>>>>>>>> usually very few names we keep hearing. Has the pool of such ladies grown
>>>>>>>>>> that we are now spoiled for choice?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Putting out % for something that you don't have doesn't make
>>>>>>>>>> sense. If someone here can give names of capable women who put up their
>>>>>>>>>> hands and were not considered then I am game.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can't assume that Martha or Nini want to be in parastatal
>>>>>>>>>> boards if they haven't shown interestor no one proposed their names. It has
>>>>>>>>>> taken a long time for board members to be announced that during that period
>>>>>>>>>> you could have submitted names of women who should be appointed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If that was done then you can come here and say, "I am aware of
>>>>>>>>>> good capable women who have been left out because I submitted their names."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is the solution? Let us go to the basics. Give ourselves
>>>>>>>>>> time frame, say by 2025, we should have a pool of bold daring women who can
>>>>>>>>>> raise their hands when their services are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How? Train our daughters to think independently and not believe
>>>>>>>>>> that their survival and success is dependent on a man or marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 08:39 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CENTRE FOR LAW AND POLICY
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gender minimum levels
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The minimum 40% gender is a neutral formulation for either
>>>>>>>>>>> gender. It caters for conceptual overflows and merit beyond gender. Look at
>>>>>>>>>>> three scenarios.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Where there are many female in the spectrum. The remaining
>>>>>>>>>>> 20% can be wholly or mainly female
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Where there are many males, 20% can be wholly or mainly male.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3.the 20% can cater for other things like professionalism,
>>>>>>>>>>> disability, localisation, etc BUT EQUALLY ON GENDER  ONDIDERATION
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There was a misunderstanding about my earlier posting. I said
>>>>>>>>>>> that in the next appointment there should be the 40% rationalisation. That
>>>>>>>>>>> was in ration to judicial appointments.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But in relation to this, our male folk in principle should
>>>>>>>>>>> resign to enable their political parties to submit names based on this
>>>>>>>>>>> gender formulation to enable the President who, obviously, was not advised
>>>>>>>>>>> or properly advised on the matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If there is any President who wants to set things right and with
>>>>>>>>>>> decorum, it is this Predident.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do not see how men can look in the face of women tonight and
>>>>>>>>>>> say this is right! Obviously, our women are once again victims of a Male
>>>>>>>>>>> dominated society. That is undemocratic and unacceptable in a democratic
>>>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of people when I raise things like these, for example that
>>>>>>>>>>> under the Constitution, the legislature cannot legislate for the death
>>>>>>>>>>> penalty, retort and say it is done in the US or elsewhere. The answer is a
>>>>>>>>>>> weak defence. Our  constitution prides in its UNIQUENESS and is unrivalled
>>>>>>>>>>> if not the best in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We must abide by our UNIQUE Constitution. Our Constution
>>>>>>>>>>> required us to respect rights in the Constition and rights created by laws.
>>>>>>>>>>> Very progressive. We as a country and sovereign must abide by law including
>>>>>>>>>>> (customary) international law.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any organisation meeting the section 15 criteria MUST access the
>>>>>>>>>>> Courts and wipe out this gross injustice against women.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And our male folk, must resign from the appointments to enable
>>>>>>>>>>> the President, on better advice, to do the lawful and right thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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