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Mon Sep 28 15:41:41 CAT 2020

 Different readings. People will always justify mob thinking.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 12:46 trevor chimimba <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Levi,
>
> Section 20 of the constitution allows positive discrimination (to address
> historical inequalities). There is a proviso to that effect the last time I
> check the Constitution.
>
> Patriarchy has many fathers, and mothers too, it seems.
>
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 4:30 AM, Levi Manda <admanda2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> The law itself is kaput. How different is the gender quota(ing) from
> selecting students to University based on tribe? Is 60:40 not against
> section 20 (?) of the Constitution?
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 18:12 Pat Chi <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> KPD,
>> yes its Gender Equality Act , 2013
>>
>> The preamble part  as read with section 11 of the Act
>>
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 13:49, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Pat,
>>>
>>> When I Google I get 'Gender Equality Act" is there "Gender Equity Act?"
>>>
>>> This addresses GBV. Although I haven't  gone through it, the intro shows
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Is there a section that deals with appointments? One woman has already
>>> declined - if what I have heard is true.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 13:04 Pat Chi, <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This debate shows how deep our 'power that be/appointing authority' do
>>>> not focus on what is within the law. Appointments herein should have shown
>>>> that Gender Equity Act was consulted. Alas that was not the case.
>>>>
>>>> Tikudikira mzungu
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 07:42, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am with you Trevor.
>>>>>
>>>>> People are saying women were left out. Can we challenge ourselves to
>>>>> name 15 influential or professional women who should be included in the
>>>>> boards. Even 5 names.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would love to know the process for appointing board members. Is it
>>>>> the president alone? Do  advisors get involved? Does cabinet get involved?
>>>>>
>>>>> We should appreciate that this "Tonse Alliance" is a different animal.
>>>>> Those NINE parties want to have their people somewhere. I believe if it was
>>>>> the president and his party alone there could be some sort of balance.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many of those NINE parties proposed a woman on the boards?
>>>>>
>>>>> But then, board membership is not a full time job. What is so special
>>>>> about being included in something where your presence is required  less
>>>>> than 4 times a year?
>>>>>
>>>>> Even DPP is failing to replace 2 incompetent women women commissioners
>>>>> with another 2 women. There would be another outcry if they were replaced
>>>>> with men.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 13:33 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> KPD,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We cannot hide behind patriarchy. It is because it has to be fought
>>>>>> that culture cannot be an excuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why does MACRA or ADMARC, or MERA (some important drivers of the
>>>>>> economy) and several others not have not even a single woman on the board?
>>>>>> You mean someone could not see this (And yet you other people serving on
>>>>>> more than one board), and said wait a minute this is not right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our culture (to the extent you make it composite) respects women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:22 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Inu a Mr Woyee,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mkazi waponderezwa on the appointment of board members ndi ndani?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support women inclusion but it shouldn't be another quota system.
>>>>>> Countries in SADC have signed the 30% inclusion of women in politics. I
>>>>>> don't know which SADC country has managed 20%. Not even in the proportional
>>>>>> representation system of South Africa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the pastor, if you want elections then expect that any
>>>>>> candidate has a chance of winning, in any a free and fair election. Fair
>>>>>> right up to counting and compilation of results without Tippex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can put, in bold, women inclusion in our constitution or statutes
>>>>>> but if we don't change cultural beliefs nothing will happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go into majority of Malawian houses and you still find wives kneeling
>>>>>> in front of their husbands like a child - just to tell him to go and bath
>>>>>> in a house with a shower and bathtub. We still have wives sitting the
>>>>>> kitchen floor with children while the husband sits at the table eating
>>>>>> alone or with a boy child.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you come here to shout on top of your voices that you support
>>>>>> women rights and women inclusion. How can a girl child who hrowd up in a
>>>>>> household where the mother is treated like a maid be liberated?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Change the cultural beliefs and you will be spoiled by the number of
>>>>>> women who can take up any responsibility that a man can have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You go out and shout women rights when you expect your wives to kneel
>>>>>> just to tell you food is on the table. How can your daughter think she can
>>>>>> challenge a man when she has never seen you cooking and wash the plates?.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are hypocrites who shout and sound holier than thou to impress
>>>>>> the world when your own daughter is expected to cook, wash her brother's
>>>>>> clothes and hardly has time to do school work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I repeat. It is the cultural servitude in homes that is stifling
>>>>>> women. It is a national psychic that we are happy to see women dancing and
>>>>>> being given teachers' salaries. If she feeds her family from mere dancing
>>>>>> what will inspire her daughters?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So put out the theoretical figures of 30, 40 50% women participation.
>>>>>> Unless we change the basics from inside our homes and our thinking as a
>>>>>> nation, nothing will happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 10:15 Maybach Woyee, <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The moment we will have a woman as a Pope or Sheikh, is the day
>>>>>>> women will stop fighting for their rights. The moment both a boy and girl
>>>>>>> will be allowed to put on dresses in class, stand in front of the class and
>>>>>>> put their heads down while legs up, then tears of women will go. I
>>>>>>> personally hate it when men love to palm oil women on gender equality while
>>>>>>> they tramp on them. Women are powerful, strong leaders than men. To see
>>>>>>> women being sidelined in 2020 in various public positions makes me sick.
>>>>>>> Prisons are full of men not women, most thugs out there are men not women,
>>>>>>> any President including the nepotistic Pastor who sideline women therefore
>>>>>>> is a thug and thief. He or she chooses to surround themselves with fellow
>>>>>>> thugs. I have no apologies, women deserve the best. Zauchitsiru ine ayi. In
>>>>>>> 2020, we can not be talking or debating about women rights and positions in
>>>>>>> society. The nepotistic Pastor would have done better after staying in
>>>>>>> opposition for long on the plight of women. Women are not dancing toys.
>>>>>>> Ndakwiya kwambiri.
>>>>>>> MB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep. 2020, 09:47 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dunstain,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I doubt if KB has followed your argument.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your argument is the same as asking for volunteers from a group of
>>>>>>>> people. You have more than enough volunteers and you select the number you
>>>>>>>> need. Suddenly someone says you have left out those who didn't volunteer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Women participation in politics and other publicly competed for
>>>>>>>> positions is rooted in our culture. Women activists in our society are
>>>>>>>> looked at with disdain. Majority who dare are usually single or become
>>>>>>>> single.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a society where marriage is highly regarded and sort after, the
>>>>>>>> focus by our ladies is on what can qualify them as a good wife or wife to
>>>>>>>> be. Activism or competed for public office doesn't in the nicely fit as a
>>>>>>>> qualification for marriage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Back to your post. I would be happy if you provide names of women
>>>>>>>> that were submitted but left out. Or names of women who are interested and
>>>>>>>> are capable. Not just the usual noisy ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You argument suggests that we should go out there and drag out
>>>>>>>> women, screaming and kicking and give them positions of responsibility. Up
>>>>>>>> to, maybe, 1986 no single girl was ever admitted to do Engineering at Poly.
>>>>>>>> I don't know if they were applying and never got admitted.  It was
>>>>>>>> believed, at the time, that Engineering was for boys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your theories are jumping the gun. You are assuming that we now
>>>>>>>> have liberated women who are ready to take any responsibility. It is
>>>>>>>> usually very few names we keep hearing. Has the pool of such ladies grown
>>>>>>>> that we are now spoiled for choice?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putting out % for something that you don't have doesn't make sense.
>>>>>>>> If someone here can give names of capable women who put up their hands and
>>>>>>>> were not considered then I am game.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can't assume that Martha or Nini want to be in parastatal
>>>>>>>> boards if they haven't shown interestor no one proposed their names. It has
>>>>>>>> taken a long time for board members to be announced that during that period
>>>>>>>> you could have submitted names of women who should be appointed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If that was done then you can come here and say, "I am aware of
>>>>>>>> good capable women who have been left out because I submitted their names."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the solution? Let us go to the basics. Give ourselves time
>>>>>>>> frame, say by 2025, we should have a pool of bold daring women who can
>>>>>>>> raise their hands when their services are needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How? Train our daughters to think independently and not believe
>>>>>>>> that their survival and success is dependent on a man or marriage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 08:39 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CENTRE FOR LAW AND POLICY
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gender minimum levels
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The minimum 40% gender is a neutral formulation for either gender.
>>>>>>>>> It caters for conceptual overflows and merit beyond gender. Look at three
>>>>>>>>> scenarios.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Where there are many female in the spectrum. The remaining 20%
>>>>>>>>> can be wholly or mainly female
>>>>>>>>> 2. Where there are many males, 20% can be wholly or mainly male.
>>>>>>>>> 3.the 20% can cater for other things like professionalism,
>>>>>>>>> disability, localisation, etc BUT EQUALLY ON GENDER  ONDIDERATION
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There was a misunderstanding about my earlier posting. I said that
>>>>>>>>> in the next appointment there should be the 40% rationalisation. That was
>>>>>>>>> in ration to judicial appointments.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But in relation to this, our male folk in principle should resign
>>>>>>>>> to enable their political parties to submit names based on this gender
>>>>>>>>> formulation to enable the President who, obviously, was not advised or
>>>>>>>>> properly advised on the matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there is any President who wants to set things right and with
>>>>>>>>> decorum, it is this Predident.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do not see how men can look in the face of women tonight and say
>>>>>>>>> this is right! Obviously, our women are once again victims of a Male
>>>>>>>>> dominated society. That is undemocratic and unacceptable in a democratic
>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alot of people when I raise things like these, for example that
>>>>>>>>> under the Constitution, the legislature cannot legislate for the death
>>>>>>>>> penalty, retort and say it is done in the US or elsewhere. The answer is a
>>>>>>>>> weak defence. Our  constitution prides in its UNIQUENESS and is unrivalled
>>>>>>>>> if not the best in the world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We must abide by our UNIQUE Constitution. Our Constution required
>>>>>>>>> us to respect rights in the Constition and rights created by laws. Very
>>>>>>>>> progressive. We as a country and sovereign must abide by law including
>>>>>>>>> (customary) international law.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any organisation meeting the section 15 criteria MUST access the
>>>>>>>>> Courts and wipe out this gross injustice against women.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And our male folk, must resign from the appointments to enable the
>>>>>>>>> President, on better advice, to do the lawful and right thing.
>>>>>>>>>
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