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Mon Sep 28 10:28:52 CAT 2020

The law itself is kaput. How different is the gender quota(ing) from
selecting students to University based on tribe? Is 60:40 not against
section 20 (?) of the Constitution?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 18:12 Pat Chi <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:

> KPD,
> yes its Gender Equality Act , 2013
>
> The preamble part  as read with section 11 of the Act
>
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 13:49, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pat,
>>
>> When I Google I get 'Gender Equality Act" is there "Gender Equity Act?"
>>
>> This addresses GBV. Although I haven't  gone through it, the intro shows
>> that.
>>
>> Is there a section that deals with appointments? One woman has already
>> declined - if what I have heard is true.
>>
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 13:04 Pat Chi, <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This debate shows how deep our 'power that be/appointing authority' do
>>> not focus on what is within the law. Appointments herein should have shown
>>> that Gender Equity Act was consulted. Alas that was not the case.
>>>
>>> Tikudikira mzungu
>>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 07:42, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am with you Trevor.
>>>>
>>>> People are saying women were left out. Can we challenge ourselves to
>>>> name 15 influential or professional women who should be included in the
>>>> boards. Even 5 names.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would love to know the process for appointing board members. Is it
>>>> the president alone? Do  advisors get involved? Does cabinet get involved?
>>>>
>>>> We should appreciate that this "Tonse Alliance" is a different animal.
>>>> Those NINE parties want to have their people somewhere. I believe if it was
>>>> the president and his party alone there could be some sort of balance.
>>>>
>>>> How many of those NINE parties proposed a woman on the boards?
>>>>
>>>> But then, board membership is not a full time job. What is so special
>>>> about being included in something where your presence is required  less
>>>> than 4 times a year?
>>>>
>>>> Even DPP is failing to replace 2 incompetent women women commissioners
>>>> with another 2 women. There would be another outcry if they were replaced
>>>> with men.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 13:33 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> KPD,
>>>>>
>>>>> We cannot hide behind patriarchy. It is because it has to be fought
>>>>> that culture cannot be an excuse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does MACRA or ADMARC, or MERA (some important drivers of the
>>>>> economy) and several others not have not even a single woman on the board?
>>>>> You mean someone could not see this (And yet you other people serving on
>>>>> more than one board), and said wait a minute this is not right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our culture (to the extent you make it composite) respects women.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:22 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Inu a Mr Woyee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mkazi waponderezwa on the appointment of board members ndi ndani?
>>>>>
>>>>> I support women inclusion but it shouldn't be another quota system.
>>>>> Countries in SADC have signed the 30% inclusion of women in politics. I
>>>>> don't know which SADC country has managed 20%. Not even in the proportional
>>>>> representation system of South Africa.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the pastor, if you want elections then expect that any
>>>>> candidate has a chance of winning, in any a free and fair election. Fair
>>>>> right up to counting and compilation of results without Tippex.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can put, in bold, women inclusion in our constitution or statutes
>>>>> but if we don't change cultural beliefs nothing will happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go into majority of Malawian houses and you still find wives kneeling
>>>>> in front of their husbands like a child - just to tell him to go and bath
>>>>> in a house with a shower and bathtub. We still have wives sitting the
>>>>> kitchen floor with children while the husband sits at the table eating
>>>>> alone or with a boy child.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you come here to shout on top of your voices that you support
>>>>> women rights and women inclusion. How can a girl child who hrowd up in a
>>>>> household where the mother is treated like a maid be liberated?
>>>>>
>>>>> Change the cultural beliefs and you will be spoiled by the number of
>>>>> women who can take up any responsibility that a man can have.
>>>>>
>>>>> You go out and shout women rights when you expect your wives to kneel
>>>>> just to tell you food is on the table. How can your daughter think she can
>>>>> challenge a man when she has never seen you cooking and wash the plates?.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are hypocrites who shout and sound holier than thou to impress the
>>>>> world when your own daughter is expected to cook, wash her brother's
>>>>> clothes and hardly has time to do school work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I repeat. It is the cultural servitude in homes that is stifling
>>>>> women. It is a national psychic that we are happy to see women dancing and
>>>>> being given teachers' salaries. If she feeds her family from mere dancing
>>>>> what will inspire her daughters?
>>>>>
>>>>> So put out the theoretical figures of 30, 40 50% women participation.
>>>>> Unless we change the basics from inside our homes and our thinking as a
>>>>> nation, nothing will happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 10:15 Maybach Woyee, <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The moment we will have a woman as a Pope or Sheikh, is the day women
>>>>>> will stop fighting for their rights. The moment both a boy and girl will be
>>>>>> allowed to put on dresses in class, stand in front of the class and put
>>>>>> their heads down while legs up, then tears of women will go. I personally
>>>>>> hate it when men love to palm oil women on gender equality while they tramp
>>>>>> on them. Women are powerful, strong leaders than men. To see women being
>>>>>> sidelined in 2020 in various public positions makes me sick. Prisons are
>>>>>> full of men not women, most thugs out there are men not women, any
>>>>>> President including the nepotistic Pastor who sideline women therefore is a
>>>>>> thug and thief. He or she chooses to surround themselves with fellow thugs.
>>>>>> I have no apologies, women deserve the best. Zauchitsiru ine ayi. In 2020,
>>>>>> we can not be talking or debating about women rights and positions in
>>>>>> society. The nepotistic Pastor would have done better after staying in
>>>>>> opposition for long on the plight of women. Women are not dancing toys.
>>>>>> Ndakwiya kwambiri.
>>>>>> MB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep. 2020, 09:47 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dunstain,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I doubt if KB has followed your argument.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your argument is the same as asking for volunteers from a group of
>>>>>>> people. You have more than enough volunteers and you select the number you
>>>>>>> need. Suddenly someone says you have left out those who didn't volunteer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Women participation in politics and other publicly competed for
>>>>>>> positions is rooted in our culture. Women activists in our society are
>>>>>>> looked at with disdain. Majority who dare are usually single or become
>>>>>>> single.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a society where marriage is highly regarded and sort after, the
>>>>>>> focus by our ladies is on what can qualify them as a good wife or wife to
>>>>>>> be. Activism or competed for public office doesn't in the nicely fit as a
>>>>>>> qualification for marriage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back to your post. I would be happy if you provide names of women
>>>>>>> that were submitted but left out. Or names of women who are interested and
>>>>>>> are capable. Not just the usual noisy ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You argument suggests that we should go out there and drag out
>>>>>>> women, screaming and kicking and give them positions of responsibility. Up
>>>>>>> to, maybe, 1986 no single girl was ever admitted to do Engineering at Poly.
>>>>>>> I don't know if they were applying and never got admitted.  It was
>>>>>>> believed, at the time, that Engineering was for boys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your theories are jumping the gun. You are assuming that we now have
>>>>>>> liberated women who are ready to take any responsibility. It is usually
>>>>>>> very few names we keep hearing. Has the pool of such ladies grown that we
>>>>>>> are now spoiled for choice?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putting out % for something that you don't have doesn't make sense.
>>>>>>> If someone here can give names of capable women who put up their hands and
>>>>>>> were not considered then I am game.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can't assume that Martha or Nini want to be in parastatal  boards
>>>>>>> if they haven't shown interestor no one proposed their names. It has taken
>>>>>>> a long time for board members to be announced that during that period you
>>>>>>> could have submitted names of women who should be appointed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that was done then you can come here and say, "I am aware of good
>>>>>>> capable women who have been left out because I submitted their names."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the solution? Let us go to the basics. Give ourselves time
>>>>>>> frame, say by 2025, we should have a pool of bold daring women who can
>>>>>>> raise their hands when their services are needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How? Train our daughters to think independently and not believe that
>>>>>>> their survival and success is dependent on a man or marriage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 08:39 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CENTRE FOR LAW AND POLICY
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gender minimum levels
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The minimum 40% gender is a neutral formulation for either gender.
>>>>>>>> It caters for conceptual overflows and merit beyond gender. Look at three
>>>>>>>> scenarios.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Where there are many female in the spectrum. The remaining 20%
>>>>>>>> can be wholly or mainly female
>>>>>>>> 2. Where there are many males, 20% can be wholly or mainly male.
>>>>>>>> 3.the 20% can cater for other things like professionalism,
>>>>>>>> disability, localisation, etc BUT EQUALLY ON GENDER  ONDIDERATION
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There was a misunderstanding about my earlier posting. I said that
>>>>>>>> in the next appointment there should be the 40% rationalisation. That was
>>>>>>>> in ration to judicial appointments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But in relation to this, our male folk in principle should resign
>>>>>>>> to enable their political parties to submit names based on this gender
>>>>>>>> formulation to enable the President who, obviously, was not advised or
>>>>>>>> properly advised on the matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If there is any President who wants to set things right and with
>>>>>>>> decorum, it is this Predident.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not see how men can look in the face of women tonight and say
>>>>>>>> this is right! Obviously, our women are once again victims of a Male
>>>>>>>> dominated society. That is undemocratic and unacceptable in a democratic
>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alot of people when I raise things like these, for example that
>>>>>>>> under the Constitution, the legislature cannot legislate for the death
>>>>>>>> penalty, retort and say it is done in the US or elsewhere. The answer is a
>>>>>>>> weak defence. Our  constitution prides in its UNIQUENESS and is unrivalled
>>>>>>>> if not the best in the world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We must abide by our UNIQUE Constitution. Our Constution required
>>>>>>>> us to respect rights in the Constition and rights created by laws. Very
>>>>>>>> progressive. We as a country and sovereign must abide by law including
>>>>>>>> (customary) international law.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any organisation meeting the section 15 criteria MUST access the
>>>>>>>> Courts and wipe out this gross injustice against women.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And our male folk, must resign from the appointments to enable the
>>>>>>>> President, on better advice, to do the lawful and right thing.
>>>>>>>>
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