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Sun Sep 27 18:10:35 CAT 2020

KPD,
yes its Gender Equality Act , 2013

The preamble part  as read with section 11 of the Act

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 13:49, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pat,
>
> When I Google I get 'Gender Equality Act" is there "Gender Equity Act?"
>
> This addresses GBV. Although I haven't  gone through it, the intro shows
> that.
>
> Is there a section that deals with appointments? One woman has already
> declined - if what I have heard is true.
>
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 13:04 Pat Chi, <pmchinguwo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This debate shows how deep our 'power that be/appointing authority' do
>> not focus on what is within the law. Appointments herein should have shown
>> that Gender Equity Act was consulted. Alas that was not the case.
>>
>> Tikudikira mzungu
>>
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 07:42, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am with you Trevor.
>>>
>>> People are saying women were left out. Can we challenge ourselves to
>>> name 15 influential or professional women who should be included in the
>>> boards. Even 5 names.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would love to know the process for appointing board members. Is it the
>>> president alone? Do  advisors get involved? Does cabinet get involved?
>>>
>>> We should appreciate that this "Tonse Alliance" is a different animal.
>>> Those NINE parties want to have their people somewhere. I believe if it was
>>> the president and his party alone there could be some sort of balance.
>>>
>>> How many of those NINE parties proposed a woman on the boards?
>>>
>>> But then, board membership is not a full time job. What is so special
>>> about being included in something where your presence is required  less
>>> than 4 times a year?
>>>
>>> Even DPP is failing to replace 2 incompetent women women commissioners
>>> with another 2 women. There would be another outcry if they were replaced
>>> with men.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 13:33 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> KPD,
>>>>
>>>> We cannot hide behind patriarchy. It is because it has to be fought
>>>> that culture cannot be an excuse.
>>>>
>>>> Why does MACRA or ADMARC, or MERA (some important drivers of the
>>>> economy) and several others not have not even a single woman on the board?
>>>> You mean someone could not see this (And yet you other people serving on
>>>> more than one board), and said wait a minute this is not right.
>>>>
>>>> Our culture (to the extent you make it composite) respects women.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:22 AM, KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Inu a Mr Woyee,
>>>>
>>>> Mkazi waponderezwa on the appointment of board members ndi ndani?
>>>>
>>>> I support women inclusion but it shouldn't be another quota system.
>>>> Countries in SADC have signed the 30% inclusion of women in politics. I
>>>> don't know which SADC country has managed 20%. Not even in the proportional
>>>> representation system of South Africa.
>>>>
>>>> As for the pastor, if you want elections then expect that any candidate
>>>> has a chance of winning, in any a free and fair election. Fair right up to
>>>> counting and compilation of results without Tippex.
>>>>
>>>> We can put, in bold, women inclusion in our constitution or statutes
>>>> but if we don't change cultural beliefs nothing will happen.
>>>>
>>>> Go into majority of Malawian houses and you still find wives kneeling
>>>> in front of their husbands like a child - just to tell him to go and bath
>>>> in a house with a shower and bathtub. We still have wives sitting the
>>>> kitchen floor with children while the husband sits at the table eating
>>>> alone or with a boy child.
>>>>
>>>> And you come here to shout on top of your voices that you support women
>>>> rights and women inclusion. How can a girl child who hrowd up in a
>>>> household where the mother is treated like a maid be liberated?
>>>>
>>>> Change the cultural beliefs and you will be spoiled by the number of
>>>> women who can take up any responsibility that a man can have.
>>>>
>>>> You go out and shout women rights when you expect your wives to kneel
>>>> just to tell you food is on the table. How can your daughter think she can
>>>> challenge a man when she has never seen you cooking and wash the plates?.
>>>>
>>>> You are hypocrites who shout and sound holier than thou to impress the
>>>> world when your own daughter is expected to cook, wash her brother's
>>>> clothes and hardly has time to do school work.
>>>>
>>>> I repeat. It is the cultural servitude in homes that is stifling women.
>>>> It is a national psychic that we are happy to see women dancing and being
>>>> given teachers' salaries. If she feeds her family from mere dancing what
>>>> will inspire her daughters?
>>>>
>>>> So put out the theoretical figures of 30, 40 50% women participation.
>>>> Unless we change the basics from inside our homes and our thinking as a
>>>> nation, nothing will happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 10:15 Maybach Woyee, <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The moment we will have a woman as a Pope or Sheikh, is the day women
>>>>> will stop fighting for their rights. The moment both a boy and girl will be
>>>>> allowed to put on dresses in class, stand in front of the class and put
>>>>> their heads down while legs up, then tears of women will go. I personally
>>>>> hate it when men love to palm oil women on gender equality while they tramp
>>>>> on them. Women are powerful, strong leaders than men. To see women being
>>>>> sidelined in 2020 in various public positions makes me sick. Prisons are
>>>>> full of men not women, most thugs out there are men not women, any
>>>>> President including the nepotistic Pastor who sideline women therefore is a
>>>>> thug and thief. He or she chooses to surround themselves with fellow thugs.
>>>>> I have no apologies, women deserve the best. Zauchitsiru ine ayi. In 2020,
>>>>> we can not be talking or debating about women rights and positions in
>>>>> society. The nepotistic Pastor would have done better after staying in
>>>>> opposition for long on the plight of women. Women are not dancing toys.
>>>>> Ndakwiya kwambiri.
>>>>> MB
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep. 2020, 09:47 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dunstain,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt if KB has followed your argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your argument is the same as asking for volunteers from a group of
>>>>>> people. You have more than enough volunteers and you select the number you
>>>>>> need. Suddenly someone says you have left out those who didn't volunteer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Women participation in politics and other publicly competed for
>>>>>> positions is rooted in our culture. Women activists in our society are
>>>>>> looked at with disdain. Majority who dare are usually single or become
>>>>>> single.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a society where marriage is highly regarded and sort after, the
>>>>>> focus by our ladies is on what can qualify them as a good wife or wife to
>>>>>> be. Activism or competed for public office doesn't in the nicely fit as a
>>>>>> qualification for marriage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to your post. I would be happy if you provide names of women
>>>>>> that were submitted but left out. Or names of women who are interested and
>>>>>> are capable. Not just the usual noisy ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You argument suggests that we should go out there and drag out women,
>>>>>> screaming and kicking and give them positions of responsibility. Up to,
>>>>>> maybe, 1986 no single girl was ever admitted to do Engineering at Poly. I
>>>>>> don't know if they were applying and never got admitted.  It was believed,
>>>>>> at the time, that Engineering was for boys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your theories are jumping the gun. You are assuming that we now have
>>>>>> liberated women who are ready to take any responsibility. It is usually
>>>>>> very few names we keep hearing. Has the pool of such ladies grown that we
>>>>>> are now spoiled for choice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Putting out % for something that you don't have doesn't make sense.
>>>>>> If someone here can give names of capable women who put up their hands and
>>>>>> were not considered then I am game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can't assume that Martha or Nini want to be in parastatal  boards
>>>>>> if they haven't shown interestor no one proposed their names. It has taken
>>>>>> a long time for board members to be announced that during that period you
>>>>>> could have submitted names of women who should be appointed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that was done then you can come here and say, "I am aware of good
>>>>>> capable women who have been left out because I submitted their names."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the solution? Let us go to the basics. Give ourselves time
>>>>>> frame, say by 2025, we should have a pool of bold daring women who can
>>>>>> raise their hands when their services are needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How? Train our daughters to think independently and not believe that
>>>>>> their survival and success is dependent on a man or marriage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 08:39 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CENTRE FOR LAW AND POLICY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gender minimum levels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The minimum 40% gender is a neutral formulation for either gender.
>>>>>>> It caters for conceptual overflows and merit beyond gender. Look at three
>>>>>>> scenarios.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Where there are many female in the spectrum. The remaining 20%
>>>>>>> can be wholly or mainly female
>>>>>>> 2. Where there are many males, 20% can be wholly or mainly male.
>>>>>>> 3.the 20% can cater for other things like professionalism,
>>>>>>> disability, localisation, etc BUT EQUALLY ON GENDER  ONDIDERATION
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was a misunderstanding about my earlier posting. I said that
>>>>>>> in the next appointment there should be the 40% rationalisation. That was
>>>>>>> in ration to judicial appointments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But in relation to this, our male folk in principle should resign to
>>>>>>> enable their political parties to submit names based on this gender
>>>>>>> formulation to enable the President who, obviously, was not advised or
>>>>>>> properly advised on the matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is any President who wants to set things right and with
>>>>>>> decorum, it is this Predident.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not see how men can look in the face of women tonight and say
>>>>>>> this is right! Obviously, our women are once again victims of a Male
>>>>>>> dominated society. That is undemocratic and unacceptable in a democratic
>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alot of people when I raise things like these, for example that
>>>>>>> under the Constitution, the legislature cannot legislate for the death
>>>>>>> penalty, retort and say it is done in the US or elsewhere. The answer is a
>>>>>>> weak defence. Our  constitution prides in its UNIQUENESS and is unrivalled
>>>>>>> if not the best in the world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We must abide by our UNIQUE Constitution. Our Constution required us
>>>>>>> to respect rights in the Constition and rights created by laws. Very
>>>>>>> progressive. We as a country and sovereign must abide by law including
>>>>>>> (customary) international law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any organisation meeting the section 15 criteria MUST access the
>>>>>>> Courts and wipe out this gross injustice against women.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And our male folk, must resign from the appointments to enable the
>>>>>>> President, on better advice, to do the lawful and right thing.
>>>>>>>
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