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Fri Sep 25 12:11:25 CAT 2020

I am weeping and crying for women! Don't talk much because men have
muscles. I still say that women must be given a platform to develop
muscles. I stand for women, zauchitsiru ine ayi

On Fri, 25 Sep. 2020, 11:22 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Inu a Mr Woyee,
>
> Mkazi waponderezwa on the appointment of board members ndi ndani?
>
> I support women inclusion but it shouldn't be another quota system.
> Countries in SADC have signed the 30% inclusion of women in politics. I
> don't know which SADC country has managed 20%. Not even in the proportional
> representation system of South Africa.
>
> As for the pastor, if you want elections then expect that any candidate
> has a chance of winning, in any a free and fair election. Fair right up to
> counting and compilation of results without Tippex.
>
> We can put, in bold, women inclusion in our constitution or statutes but
> if we don't change cultural beliefs nothing will happen.
>
> Go into majority of Malawian houses and you still find wives kneeling in
> front of their husbands like a child - just to tell him to go and bath in a
> house with a shower and bathtub. We still have wives sitting the kitchen
> floor with children while the husband sits at the table eating alone or
> with a boy child.
>
> And you come here to shout on top of your voices that you support women
> rights and women inclusion. How can a girl child who hrowd up in a
> household where the mother is treated like a maid be liberated?
>
> Change the cultural beliefs and you will be spoiled by the number of women
> who can take up any responsibility that a man can have.
>
> You go out and shout women rights when you expect your wives to kneel just
> to tell you food is on the table. How can your daughter think she can
> challenge a man when she has never seen you cooking and wash the plates?.
>
> You are hypocrites who shout and sound holier than thou to impress the
> world when your own daughter is expected to cook, wash her brother's
> clothes and hardly has time to do school work.
>
> I repeat. It is the cultural servitude in homes that is stifling women. It
> is a national psychic that we are happy to see women dancing and being
> given teachers' salaries. If she feeds her family from mere dancing what
> will inspire her daughters?
>
> So put out the theoretical figures of 30, 40 50% women participation.
> Unless we change the basics from inside our homes and our thinking as a
> nation, nothing will happen.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 10:15 Maybach Woyee, <mbchwoyee5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The moment we will have a woman as a Pope or Sheikh, is the day women
>> will stop fighting for their rights. The moment both a boy and girl will be
>> allowed to put on dresses in class, stand in front of the class and put
>> their heads down while legs up, then tears of women will go. I personally
>> hate it when men love to palm oil women on gender equality while they tramp
>> on them. Women are powerful, strong leaders than men. To see women being
>> sidelined in 2020 in various public positions makes me sick. Prisons are
>> full of men not women, most thugs out there are men not women, any
>> President including the nepotistic Pastor who sideline women therefore is a
>> thug and thief. He or she chooses to surround themselves with fellow thugs.
>> I have no apologies, women deserve the best. Zauchitsiru ine ayi. In 2020,
>> we can not be talking or debating about women rights and positions in
>> society. The nepotistic Pastor would have done better after staying in
>> opposition for long on the plight of women. Women are not dancing toys.
>> Ndakwiya kwambiri.
>> MB
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Sep. 2020, 09:47 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dunstain,
>>>
>>> I doubt if KB has followed your argument.
>>>
>>> Your argument is the same as asking for volunteers from a group of
>>> people. You have more than enough volunteers and you select the number you
>>> need. Suddenly someone says you have left out those who didn't volunteer.
>>>
>>> Women participation in politics and other publicly competed for
>>> positions is rooted in our culture. Women activists in our society are
>>> looked at with disdain. Majority who dare are usually single or become
>>> single.
>>>
>>> In a society where marriage is highly regarded and sort after, the focus
>>> by our ladies is on what can qualify them as a good wife or wife to be.
>>> Activism or competed for public office doesn't in the nicely fit as a
>>> qualification for marriage.
>>>
>>> Back to your post. I would be happy if you provide names of women that
>>> were submitted but left out. Or names of women who are interested and are
>>> capable. Not just the usual noisy ones.
>>>
>>> You argument suggests that we should go out there and drag out women,
>>> screaming and kicking and give them positions of responsibility. Up to,
>>> maybe, 1986 no single girl was ever admitted to do Engineering at Poly. I
>>> don't know if they were applying and never got admitted.  It was believed,
>>> at the time, that Engineering was for boys.
>>>
>>> Your theories are jumping the gun. You are assuming that we now have
>>> liberated women who are ready to take any responsibility. It is usually
>>> very few names we keep hearing. Has the pool of such ladies grown that we
>>> are now spoiled for choice?
>>>
>>> Putting out % for something that you don't have doesn't make sense. If
>>> someone here can give names of capable women who put up their hands and
>>> were not considered then I am game.
>>>
>>> We can't assume that Martha or Nini want to be in parastatal  boards if
>>> they haven't shown interestor no one proposed their names. It has taken a
>>> long time for board members to be announced that during that period you
>>> could have submitted names of women who should be appointed.
>>>
>>> If that was done then you can come here and say, "I am aware of good
>>> capable women who have been left out because I submitted their names."
>>>
>>> What is the solution? Let us go to the basics. Give ourselves time
>>> frame, say by 2025, we should have a pool of bold daring women who can
>>> raise their hands when their services are needed.
>>>
>>> How? Train our daughters to think independently and not believe that
>>> their survival and success is dependent on a man or marriage.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2020, 08:39 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> CENTRE FOR LAW AND POLICY
>>>>
>>>> Gender minimum levels
>>>>
>>>> The minimum 40% gender is a neutral formulation for either gender. It
>>>> caters for conceptual overflows and merit beyond gender. Look at three
>>>> scenarios.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Where there are many female in the spectrum. The remaining 20% can
>>>> be wholly or mainly female
>>>> 2. Where there are many males, 20% can be wholly or mainly male.
>>>> 3.the 20% can cater for other things like professionalism, disability,
>>>> localisation, etc BUT EQUALLY ON GENDER  ONDIDERATION
>>>>
>>>> There was a misunderstanding about my earlier posting. I said that in
>>>> the next appointment there should be the 40% rationalisation. That was in
>>>> ration to judicial appointments.
>>>>
>>>> But in relation to this, our male folk in principle should resign to
>>>> enable their political parties to submit names based on this gender
>>>> formulation to enable the President who, obviously, was not advised or
>>>> properly advised on the matter.
>>>>
>>>> If there is any President who wants to set things right and with
>>>> decorum, it is this Predident.
>>>>
>>>> I do not see how men can look in the face of women tonight and say this
>>>> is right! Obviously, our women are once again victims of a Male dominated
>>>> society. That is undemocratic and unacceptable in a democratic society.
>>>>
>>>> Alot of people when I raise things like these, for example that under
>>>> the Constitution, the legislature cannot legislate for the death penalty,
>>>> retort and say it is done in the US or elsewhere. The answer is a weak
>>>> defence. Our  constitution prides in its UNIQUENESS and is unrivalled if
>>>> not the best in the world.
>>>>
>>>> We must abide by our UNIQUE Constitution. Our Constution required us to
>>>> respect rights in the Constition and rights created by laws. Very
>>>> progressive. We as a country and sovereign must abide by law including
>>>> (customary) international law.
>>>>
>>>> Any organisation meeting the section 15 criteria MUST access the Courts
>>>> and wipe out this gross injustice against women.
>>>>
>>>> And our male folk, must resign from the appointments to enable the
>>>> President, on better advice, to do the lawful and right thing.
>>>>
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