[civsoc-mw] Covid

Wed Oct 14 17:25:27 CAT 2020

Selective listening makes people blind and deaf.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 22:49 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> One wonders what Democrats would be saying or campaigning on if covid was
> not there. Does the party have policies?
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 21:07 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You have never made a post so short in your whole life. This must be put
>> in the genius book of records.
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 16:04 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> koma zina ukawona?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 3:38 PM Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The process started around that time soon after multiparty. They even
>>>> changed their name from Malawi Police Force to Malawi Police Service. Dfdi
>>>> pumped a lot of money into the project. Once the project stopped, the bad
>>>> elements went back to what they knew best torturing suspects and killing
>>>> suspects in police cells. You can imagine how bad I felt when a friend had
>>>> an accident and he had to seek a police approval to seek medical attention.
>>>> I hope the Tonse alliance will reform this police for good. Why should
>>>> somebody seeking medical attention go to the police first?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 14:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Police was not reformed in 1992! My friend Lot Dzonzi would
>>>>> probably agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with you. The first step is to take out the baddest of the bad
>>>>> and reform.  Then we can  start talking of reforming or deforming the
>>>>> police. You can't reform or deform while the bad apples are perched up
>>>>> there. The exercise would be futile. They will put huge spanners in the
>>>>> spokes. A typical example is the police itself that was reformed from 1992
>>>>> but still is deformed. Dfdi pumped a lot of money. Your friend was in
>>>>> charge of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 13:26 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are making such a convoluted argument. Saying they are some
>>>>>> people in the police who are bad and simply take out the bad apples misses
>>>>>> the whole point and diverts attention from the overall need to have a
>>>>>> police that is reformed. The system of law enforcement is rotten.  It needs
>>>>>> to be reformed and completely insulated from the politicians. And it is not
>>>>>> just a Malawi problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Collective guilt? You had to be the devil incarnet for one to be
>>>>>> commander of MYP or secretary general of MCP in those days my friend. I
>>>>>> think you are sad such positions eluded you. The police can not be bad. It
>>>>>> is some people in the police who are bad. MEC the institution can not be
>>>>>> bad if all its employees are good. This is the simple reality of life. Take
>>>>>> out the bad apples, the institution will not be bad. For the umpteenth
>>>>>> time, can you give me a name in MCP that gave Orton chirwa as a gift to the
>>>>>> ngwazi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 12:04 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I am saying is that if we have to move on as a society we need
>>>>>>> to have a deeper understanding of the notion of collective guilt (otherwise
>>>>>>> we will continue making the same mistakes).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you were there under the 30 years of HKB’s traumatic dictatorship
>>>>>>> you can not be simplistic to say that what was happening was simply acts of
>>>>>>> a few individuals (we almost fell into the same trap with DPP). It was an
>>>>>>> entire system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:46 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My point is that true all those happened under mcp. But is it
>>>>>>> individuals, a collections of evil minds, that concocted such policies.
>>>>>>> Once those evil minds left MCP and were replaced by a different set, say
>>>>>>> drunkards, the shift in policy was bound to occur. The evil is the
>>>>>>> membership not the organisation itself. I asked you to give a name still in
>>>>>>> MCP top ranks who could have participated in those evil undertakings. I can
>>>>>>> give you names of people who are out of MCP  but we're part and parcel of
>>>>>>> those evil undertakings. Two died and one is alive. I am actually waiting
>>>>>>> for his death then I will start celebrating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 11:36 trevor chimimba, <
>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know this is a side issue, but cannot pass without comment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You keep repeating this argument year in year out...when are going
>>>>>>>> to realise that it is a disingenuous argument. The Jehovah witnesses were
>>>>>>>> victims of Malawi Congress Party’s brutal tactics. This is a fact and
>>>>>>>> documented. Mwanza happened under MCP. That is a fact. We cannot hide away
>>>>>>>> from this sad history. It helps us understand what never again means.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When the current MCP says it is rebranded....it does not mean it is
>>>>>>>> forsaking its past. Otherwise it cannot use the word “rebrand”. It has to
>>>>>>>> own up its past.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:20 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The people who did harm to Jehovah witnesses are no longer in MCP
>>>>>>>> but went elsewhere. Ask kamlepo he will tell you kuti fisi  ndi fisi.  Can
>>>>>>>> you point to anyone in the current MCP who is associated with the mwanza 4
>>>>>>>> or giving Orton as a Christmas gift?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 10:48 Charles Golomoti, <
>>>>>>>> cwakudabii.golomoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ineyo, MCP? No way, Jose! Never in a month of Sundays would I
>>>>>>>>> belong to the MCP. No, not after what they did to the Jehovah's Witnesses,
>>>>>>>>> the Mwanza Four, and Mkwapatira Mhango's family.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now  Bambo Trevor read my lips real good, and don't make this
>>>>>>>>> mistake again: I belong to Aford of old, the Aford of Chakufwa Chihana,
>>>>>>>>> Egbert Chibambo, Anthony Nazombe, Machika, Mapopa, Mzunda, Saulos Chilima,
>>>>>>>>> Charles Simango, Hardy Nyirenda, Mnthambala, Mordecai, Odinga Chifi,
>>>>>>>>> etcetera, etecetra. But now I am a nga-nga-nga supporter of the Mighty UTM.
>>>>>>>>> Come to think of it, why do you bring extraneous issues in a decent
>>>>>>>>> discourse like this one? Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
>>>>>>>>> Seriously, I don't like your diversion tactics, Bambo Trevor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, men and women must fight for positions in our society, and
>>>>>>>>> earn them fair and square. Just like Adiba Mia, Patricia Kaliati, and
>>>>>>>>> Timothy Mtambo have done to get themselves appointed in the Tonse-A cabinet
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CWG
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:36 AM trevor chimimba <
>>>>>>>>> trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Inu bambo Golomoti,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course I will come pouncing on you because what you are saying
>>>>>>>>>> is nothing new.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These are the same excuses I heard in the 1980s! We know that
>>>>>>>>>> there are structural problems but we want to pass on the buck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At least you have accepted that you are MCP. Go and do something
>>>>>>>>>> about it. Saying “trust me I am not” does not cut it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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