[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Mon Oct 12 21:27:42 CAT 2020

Why should I answer that question

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 19:24 temwa malange, <temwamalange at gmail.com> wrote:

> Judge,
>
> Why have the women not submitted CVs when the President asked them to?.
> Instead they have submitted a petition.
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 21:19 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Why sue? The men should resign and give the President the free hand to
>> comply. As simple as that
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 19:07 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> DM
>>>
>>> Then the women can use the Gender Equality Act to sue.
>>>
>>>
>>> But read Section 11 subsection a, b and c. You will realise what I am
>>> saying obtains.
>>>
>>> If any woman feels was qualified for any of the boards, she can take the
>>> appointing authority to court and Judge Mwaungulu can direct that that
>>> woman be appointed not withstanding 11 (a) to (c). Tell them the right is
>>> not absolute.
>>>
>>> To expect the appointing authority to go searching to fulfil an act is
>>> to make a mockery of the duty bearer. Ngakhale ndiri ine I would tell you
>>> to go and look for the women yourself.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 19:52 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> your argument is non sequitur. My premise is that there are women out
>>>> there who qualify. it was the President's duty to find them knowing that he
>>>> had to comply with the Act. .
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:30 PM KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So in your considered opinion  anyone in a dress should fill up the
>>>>> stupid quota, if I may call it that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for specifics, I want to benefit, not from the noise, but facts. I
>>>>> have not seen Gender Equality Act that Trevor mentioned. You also mentioned
>>>>> Gender Act which doesn't exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have Gender Based Violence Act and I don't think it talks about
>>>>> board appointments.
>>>>>
>>>>> TC, to some extent, is saying we should continue misleading each
>>>>> because we have no time for facts. My take is that there people on this
>>>>> very net who have facts at their fingertips.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to be able to debate on point of knowledge than ignorance. So
>>>>> Judge Mwaungulu, if you believe so much that everything in the constitution
>>>>> should be implemented by the book then I can several for that were never
>>>>> implemented and you kept. It took Joyce Banda to revive Council elections
>>>>> which were ignored for long time. And you were there as part of those
>>>>> raping parts of the constitution.
>>>>>
>>>>> We all want to see women in boards but I can assure you that
>>>>> I am one person who will insist that those women should meet MINIMUM
>>>>> requirements. I will never compromise, as a duty bearer, to just fill up
>>>>> the numbers because a certain piece of paper says so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 16:24 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My friend, you have added nothing to the wider question. Read the
>>>>>> Gender Act. There is no duty laid on a citizen. The duty is on the
>>>>>> appointing or recruiting authority to comply with the Act.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what are the facts? On your own admission, the President went
>>>>>> 23/77. Did he comply with the law? No. He broke the law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is all we have now. No amount of palliation removes these brute
>>>>>> facts. Do you know different facts - relevant facts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So let the President obey the law. The president is not bound by your
>>>>>> opinion. He is bound by the law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 10:09 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DM,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe you missed Charles Golomoti's post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what he posted, people in various spheres are taxed with
>>>>>>> submitting 6 names to be considered in the boards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we have a Council for Lawyers, the council is contacted to submit
>>>>>>> 6 names that will be considered for a board that deals with law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it is ESCOM the board will include Engineers. CWG struggled to
>>>>>>> find a single woman. They eventually found 2. One was already a PS who is
>>>>>>> an ex-official and the other had a weak CV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They included the woman, for the sake of being a woman. She didn't
>>>>>>> meet the requirements and they ended up with a board of 6 men.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You, Judge Mwaungulu, can easily get this information which CWG
>>>>>>> provided. It is frustrating me we debate without any facts and in the end
>>>>>>> we go in around circles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is only CWG who gave pertinent information. The rest of us
>>>>>>> contribute as if we are all based in another planet. Surely, there should
>>>>>>> be a netter can can get information appropriate sources how the
>>>>>>> process works and share.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate CWG's contribution because it contained ver useful
>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 11:32 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THE UNIVERSITY OF MALAWI HAS BEEN GRADUATING 7.5 WOMEN GRADUATES?
>>>>>>>> YOU ARE KIDDING ME?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, Keyboard. The duty is on the appointer and the recruiter
>>>>>>>> simple. Nobody applied for these jobs. Nobody presented their CVs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The same exertion that went to find the board members should have
>>>>>>>> been applied for compliance with the Constitution and the Act. It is not a
>>>>>>>> requirement to the Act or Constitition that people present CVs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you are being unfair to say that for the past 40 years the
>>>>>>>> University of Malawi has produced less than 300 women. Women who can occupy
>>>>>>>> these boards. Where are you looking. Your contention is that for the past
>>>>>>>> 40 years the UNIMA has had 7.5 women graduates per annum? You are kidding
>>>>>>>> me?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 08:30 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <
>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Judge I think legislation aside, we should also look critically at
>>>>>>>>> availability of human resources gender wise. I do not think women should go
>>>>>>>>> into boards solely because they are women. Are there women qualified enough
>>>>>>>>> to deliver in the boards? If they are there then we should compile their
>>>>>>>>> cvs and give them to the nepotistic pastor. Which women would you recommend
>>>>>>>>> to Escom, poisons board, water boards, construction council tax. I don't
>>>>>>>>> think it is right to appoint Maria from bwandilo into the poisons board
>>>>>>>>> because she is a woman. This will breed malfeasance. This 50/50 should be
>>>>>>>>> considered as a process that we aim to achieve in the next 50 years than as
>>>>>>>>> a project that has a simple cut off date. Meanwhile we need to focus on
>>>>>>>>> underlying processes that will enable society achieve that goal. One
>>>>>>>>> brilliant idea I got from the net is abolishing these girls or boys
>>>>>>>>> secondary schools.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 07:08 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please just read the Constitution and the two Acts on the matter.
>>>>>>>>>> The law places no duty on the one whose right is violated; it places the
>>>>>>>>>> duty on a) the one appointing and b) recruiting to follow the Act. It puts
>>>>>>>>>> no duty on the appointee or recruit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The law creates a right for the appointee and recruit. The right
>>>>>>>>>> of either gender to a minimum of 40%, leaving the appointee to deal with
>>>>>>>>>> gender issues differently but not without derogation from the right with
>>>>>>>>>> the 20%.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The correct formulation is F/M/FM
>>>>>>>>>> 40/40/20. So that if there is a chance for 50/50 and the
>>>>>>>>>> appointer and the recruiter, would be wrong to resort to 40/40/20. Where,
>>>>>>>>>> therefore, there are all women left, after the 40/40, the recruiter or
>>>>>>>>>> appointee must get the 20% from the female. Tge same applies to when male
>>>>>>>>>> constitute the last 20%.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS BRILLIANT LEGISLATION
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 02:20 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Inu a Judge,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are always people who get wronged and never open cases in
>>>>>>>>>>> court for various reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The appointment of people took a long time and NGOs even
>>>>>>>>>>> complained. Any woman who was interested could have approached any of the 9
>>>>>>>>>>> Tonse Alliance parties. They could have approached the 13 presidential
>>>>>>>>>>> advisors. Could have approached any of the NGOs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No one can complain that you never considered their case if it
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't come to court. You even meet people who lose their jobs, houses etc
>>>>>>>>>>> in the street or in church. You can't give them judgement until their case
>>>>>>>>>>> is in court.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We are making too many assumptions on this matter. Most
>>>>>>>>>>> prominent women have secure jobs which preclude them from taking other
>>>>>>>>>>> responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 23:35 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we are having to  blame everything to avoid simple
>>>>>>>>>>>> steps we have to take. Thee are women there to fill 65 boards. 50%!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Something just got very wrong! It cannot be that the University of Malwi
>>>>>>>>>>>> has produced less than 300 women graduates in the past 10 years! You are
>>>>>>>>>>>> kidding me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 20:29 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A different perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Botswana has always had co-education. Whether boarding or day
>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools. No seperate boys and girls schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Women hold very high positions as PSs, Directors, principals
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and deputy principals of tertiary institutions. They own big companies and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> businesses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the 80s women were already admitted to any programme at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tertiary institutions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Co-education at all levels without exception was normal. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was weird to Nyasa people who grew up knowing girls and boys could not go
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to same boarding secondary schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if there was a boarding secondary school in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malawi where cooks were women. It has always been normal in Botswana with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> women cooks, chefs, taxi and combi drivers, drivers of huge 100 ton mine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trucks etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point is, our system creates gender inequality right from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> young age. Combine that with decades of women being told what to wear and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not wear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know of any African country where women dancing for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> president was institutionalised like Malawi. Yes we popularised osunga
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mwambo and it is the very same phrase which is propagating inequality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best way as it were is to start with both boy and girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>> child. Let them grow up together so that they can learn from early age how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to treat each other with respect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tisamaone azimai ngati mitchini yopanga ana.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 14:29 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same experience. A grace chavula. She was very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bright. She went to Lilongwe Girls. I went to Mitundu night. Next I hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she was at Poly doing secretarial studies while I went to chanco doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general degree ya mabwana. I still think she should have been a PS or vice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chancellor of Unima. Some study indeed needs to be undertaken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 11:16 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I support the concept of equality and protection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of women empowerment, the only Act of parliament I have seen is on GBV. On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boards it is only Environment management Board that there is a stipulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on board composition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to create CIVSOC forum board, can women here raise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their hand so that I I include them. If the board comprise KBK,TC, LN, SK,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LN, CWG, some women somewhere will demonstrate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zinthu za maquota maybe politically correct but it is up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us as individuals to stand up and be counted. Not because of our noise but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inu azimai, don't normalise kumamenyedwa mapama. Don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normalise kumaumilizidwa kukhala house wife.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alice Namathanga, I don't know where she is, competed with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me for position 1 in standard 7 at C.I in Blantyre. Next time ndinamva kuti
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ku secondary school sanapite or she got married. I felt like crying. Why do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our girls drop by the way side?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need some sort of conference, commission of inquiry or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to look and hardships faced by women from girl child to adult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will allow for appropriate intervention.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Osangoti tizingopanga phokoso without dealing with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underlying issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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