[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Mon Oct 12 19:49:46 CAT 2020

your argument is non sequitur. My premise is that there are women out there
who qualify. it was the President's duty to find them knowing that he had
to comply with the Act. .

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:30 PM KPD <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:

> So in your considered opinion  anyone in a dress should fill up the stupid
> quota, if I may call it that.
>
> As for specifics, I want to benefit, not from the noise, but facts. I have
> not seen Gender Equality Act that Trevor mentioned. You also mentioned
> Gender Act which doesn't exist.
>
> We have Gender Based Violence Act and I don't think it talks about board
> appointments.
>
> TC, to some extent, is saying we should continue misleading each because
> we have no time for facts. My take is that there people on this very net
> who have facts at their fingertips.
>
> I want to be able to debate on point of knowledge than ignorance. So Judge
> Mwaungulu, if you believe so much that everything in the constitution
> should be implemented by the book then I can several for that were never
> implemented and you kept. It took Joyce Banda to revive Council elections
> which were ignored for long time. And you were there as part of those
> raping parts of the constitution.
>
> We all want to see women in boards but I can assure you that
> I am one person who will insist that those women should meet MINIMUM
> requirements. I will never compromise, as a duty bearer, to just fill up
> the numbers because a certain piece of paper says so.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 16:24 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My friend, you have added nothing to the wider question. Read the Gender
>> Act. There is no duty laid on a citizen. The duty is on the appointing or
>> recruiting authority to comply with the Act.
>>
>> So what are the facts? On your own admission, the President went 23/77.
>> Did he comply with the law? No. He broke the law.
>>
>> That is all we have now. No amount of palliation removes these brute
>> facts. Do you know different facts - relevant facts?
>>
>> None.
>>
>> So let the President obey the law. The president is not bound by your
>> opinion. He is bound by the law.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 10:09 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> DM,
>>>
>>> Maybe you missed Charles Golomoti's post.
>>>
>>> From what he posted, people in various spheres are taxed with submitting
>>> 6 names to be considered in the boards.
>>>
>>> If we have a Council for Lawyers, the council is contacted to submit 6
>>> names that will be considered for a board that deals with law.
>>>
>>> If it is ESCOM the board will include Engineers. CWG struggled to find a
>>> single woman. They eventually found 2. One was already a PS who is an
>>> ex-official and the other had a weak CV.
>>>
>>> They included the woman, for the sake of being a woman. She didn't meet
>>> the requirements and they ended up with a board of 6 men.
>>>
>>> You, Judge Mwaungulu, can easily get this information which CWG
>>> provided. It is frustrating me we debate without any facts and in the end
>>> we go in around circles.
>>>
>>> It is only CWG who gave pertinent information. The rest of us contribute
>>> as if we are all based in another planet. Surely, there should be a netter
>>> can can get information appropriate sources how the process works and
>>> share.
>>>
>>> I appreciate CWG's contribution because it contained ver useful
>>> information.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 11:32 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> THE UNIVERSITY OF MALAWI HAS BEEN GRADUATING 7.5 WOMEN GRADUATES? YOU
>>>> ARE KIDDING ME?
>>>>
>>>> No, Keyboard. The duty is on the appointer and the recruiter simple.
>>>> Nobody applied for these jobs. Nobody presented their CVs.
>>>>
>>>> The same exertion that went to find the board members should have been
>>>> applied for compliance with the Constitution and the Act. It is not a
>>>> requirement to the Act or Constitition that people present CVs.
>>>>
>>>> I think you are being unfair to say that for the past 40 years the
>>>> University of Malawi has produced less than 300 women. Women who can occupy
>>>> these boards. Where are you looking. Your contention is that for the past
>>>> 40 years the UNIMA has had 7.5 women graduates per annum? You are kidding
>>>> me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 08:30 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Judge I think legislation aside, we should also look critically at
>>>>> availability of human resources gender wise. I do not think women should go
>>>>> into boards solely because they are women. Are there women qualified enough
>>>>> to deliver in the boards? If they are there then we should compile their
>>>>> cvs and give them to the nepotistic pastor. Which women would you recommend
>>>>> to Escom, poisons board, water boards, construction council tax. I don't
>>>>> think it is right to appoint Maria from bwandilo into the poisons board
>>>>> because she is a woman. This will breed malfeasance. This 50/50 should be
>>>>> considered as a process that we aim to achieve in the next 50 years than as
>>>>> a project that has a simple cut off date. Meanwhile we need to focus on
>>>>> underlying processes that will enable society achieve that goal. One
>>>>> brilliant idea I got from the net is abolishing these girls or boys
>>>>> secondary schools.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 07:08 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please just read the Constitution and the two Acts on the matter. The
>>>>>> law places no duty on the one whose right is violated; it places the duty
>>>>>> on a) the one appointing and b) recruiting to follow the Act. It puts no
>>>>>> duty on the appointee or recruit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The law creates a right for the appointee and recruit. The right of
>>>>>> either gender to a minimum of 40%, leaving the appointee to deal with
>>>>>> gender issues differently but not without derogation from the right with
>>>>>> the 20%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The correct formulation is F/M/FM
>>>>>> 40/40/20. So that if there is a chance for 50/50 and the appointer
>>>>>> and the recruiter, would be wrong to resort to 40/40/20. Where, therefore,
>>>>>> there are all women left, after the 40/40, the recruiter or appointee must
>>>>>> get the 20% from the female. Tge same applies to when male constitute the
>>>>>> last 20%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THIS IS BRILLIANT LEGISLATION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 02:20 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Inu a Judge,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are always people who get wronged and never open cases in
>>>>>>> court for various reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The appointment of people took a long time and NGOs even complained.
>>>>>>> Any woman who was interested could have approached any of the 9 Tonse
>>>>>>> Alliance parties. They could have approached the 13 presidential advisors.
>>>>>>> Could have approached any of the NGOs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one can complain that you never considered their case if it
>>>>>>> didn't come to court. You even meet people who lose their jobs, houses etc
>>>>>>> in the street or in church. You can't give them judgement until their case
>>>>>>> is in court.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are making too many assumptions on this matter. Most prominent
>>>>>>> women have secure jobs which preclude them from taking other
>>>>>>> responsibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 23:35 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we are having to  blame everything to avoid simple steps we
>>>>>>>> have to take. Thee are women there to fill 65 boards. 50%! Something just
>>>>>>>> got very wrong! It cannot be that the University of Malwi has produced less
>>>>>>>> than 300 women graduates in the past 10 years! You are kidding me?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 20:29 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A different perspective.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Botswana has always had co-education. Whether boarding or day
>>>>>>>>> schools. No seperate boys and girls schools.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Women hold very high positions as PSs, Directors, principals and
>>>>>>>>> deputy principals of tertiary institutions. They own big companies and
>>>>>>>>> businesses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the 80s women were already admitted to any programme at
>>>>>>>>> tertiary institutions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Co-education at all levels without exception was normal. It was
>>>>>>>>> weird to Nyasa people who grew up knowing girls and boys could not go to
>>>>>>>>> same boarding secondary schools.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if there was a boarding secondary school in Malawi
>>>>>>>>> where cooks were women. It has always been normal in Botswana with women
>>>>>>>>> cooks, chefs, taxi and combi drivers, drivers of huge 100 ton mine trucks
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The point is, our system creates gender inequality right from
>>>>>>>>> young age. Combine that with decades of women being told what to wear and
>>>>>>>>> not wear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know of any African country where women dancing for
>>>>>>>>> president was institutionalised like Malawi. Yes we popularised osunga
>>>>>>>>> mwambo and it is the very same phrase which is propagating inequality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The best way as it were is to start with both boy and girl child.
>>>>>>>>> Let them grow up together so that they can learn from early age how to
>>>>>>>>> treat each other with respect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tisamaone azimai ngati mitchini yopanga ana.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 14:29 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <
>>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have the same experience. A grace chavula. She was very bright.
>>>>>>>>>> She went to Lilongwe Girls. I went to Mitundu night. Next I hear she was at
>>>>>>>>>> Poly doing secretarial studies while I went to chanco doing general degree
>>>>>>>>>> ya mabwana. I still think she should have been a PS or vice chancellor of
>>>>>>>>>> Unima. Some study indeed needs to be undertaken
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 11:16 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I support the concept of equality and protection of
>>>>>>>>>>> women empowerment, the only Act of parliament I have seen is on GBV. On
>>>>>>>>>>> boards it is only Environment management Board that there is a stipulation
>>>>>>>>>>> on board composition.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want to create CIVSOC forum board, can women here raise their
>>>>>>>>>>> hand so that I I include them. If the board comprise KBK,TC, LN, SK, LN,
>>>>>>>>>>> CWG, some women somewhere will demonstrate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Zinthu za maquota maybe politically correct but it is up to us
>>>>>>>>>>> as individuals to stand up and be counted. Not because of our noise but our
>>>>>>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Inu azimai, don't normalise kumamenyedwa mapama. Don't normalise
>>>>>>>>>>> kumaumilizidwa kukhala house wife.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alice Namathanga, I don't know where she is, competed with me
>>>>>>>>>>> for position 1 in standard 7 at C.I in Blantyre. Next time ndinamva kuti ku
>>>>>>>>>>> secondary school sanapite or she got married. I felt like crying. Why do
>>>>>>>>>>> our girls drop by the way side?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We need some sort of conference, commission of inquiry or
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to look and hardships faced by women from girl child to adult.
>>>>>>>>>>> This will allow for appropriate intervention.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Osangoti tizingopanga phokoso without dealing with the
>>>>>>>>>>> underlying issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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