[civsoc-mw] Women demo on equality.

Mon Oct 12 18:11:25 CAT 2020

TC and DM,
My bad. Just located Gender Equality Act of 2013. I will go through it.

I guess we are making some progress. I take back my previous post.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 17:29 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:

> So in your considered opinion  anyone in a dress should fill up the stupid
> quota, if I may call it that.
>
> As for specifics, I want to benefit, not from the noise, but facts. I have
> not seen Gender Equality Act that Trevor mentioned. You also mentioned
> Gender Act which doesn't exist.
>
> We have Gender Based Violence Act and I don't think it talks about board
> appointments.
>
> TC, to some extent, is saying we should continue misleading each because
> we have no time for facts. My take is that there people on this very net
> who have facts at their fingertips.
>
> I want to be able to debate on point of knowledge than ignorance. So Judge
> Mwaungulu, if you believe so much that everything in the constitution
> should be implemented by the book then I can several for that were never
> implemented and you kept. It took Joyce Banda to revive Council elections
> which were ignored for long time. And you were there as part of those
> raping parts of the constitution.
>
> We all want to see women in boards but I can assure you that
> I am one person who will insist that those women should meet MINIMUM
> requirements. I will never compromise, as a duty bearer, to just fill up
> the numbers because a certain piece of paper says so.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 16:24 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My friend, you have added nothing to the wider question. Read the Gender
>> Act. There is no duty laid on a citizen. The duty is on the appointing or
>> recruiting authority to comply with the Act.
>>
>> So what are the facts? On your own admission, the President went 23/77.
>> Did he comply with the law? No. He broke the law.
>>
>> That is all we have now. No amount of palliation removes these brute
>> facts. Do you know different facts - relevant facts?
>>
>> None.
>>
>> So let the President obey the law. The president is not bound by your
>> opinion. He is bound by the law.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, 10:09 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> DM,
>>>
>>> Maybe you missed Charles Golomoti's post.
>>>
>>> From what he posted, people in various spheres are taxed with submitting
>>> 6 names to be considered in the boards.
>>>
>>> If we have a Council for Lawyers, the council is contacted to submit 6
>>> names that will be considered for a board that deals with law.
>>>
>>> If it is ESCOM the board will include Engineers. CWG struggled to find a
>>> single woman. They eventually found 2. One was already a PS who is an
>>> ex-official and the other had a weak CV.
>>>
>>> They included the woman, for the sake of being a woman. She didn't meet
>>> the requirements and they ended up with a board of 6 men.
>>>
>>> You, Judge Mwaungulu, can easily get this information which CWG
>>> provided. It is frustrating me we debate without any facts and in the end
>>> we go in around circles.
>>>
>>> It is only CWG who gave pertinent information. The rest of us contribute
>>> as if we are all based in another planet. Surely, there should be a netter
>>> can can get information appropriate sources how the process works and
>>> share.
>>>
>>> I appreciate CWG's contribution because it contained ver useful
>>> information.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 11:32 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> THE UNIVERSITY OF MALAWI HAS BEEN GRADUATING 7.5 WOMEN GRADUATES? YOU
>>>> ARE KIDDING ME?
>>>>
>>>> No, Keyboard. The duty is on the appointer and the recruiter simple.
>>>> Nobody applied for these jobs. Nobody presented their CVs.
>>>>
>>>> The same exertion that went to find the board members should have been
>>>> applied for compliance with the Constitution and the Act. It is not a
>>>> requirement to the Act or Constitition that people present CVs.
>>>>
>>>> I think you are being unfair to say that for the past 40 years the
>>>> University of Malawi has produced less than 300 women. Women who can occupy
>>>> these boards. Where are you looking. Your contention is that for the past
>>>> 40 years the UNIMA has had 7.5 women graduates per annum? You are kidding
>>>> me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 08:30 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Judge I think legislation aside, we should also look critically at
>>>>> availability of human resources gender wise. I do not think women should go
>>>>> into boards solely because they are women. Are there women qualified enough
>>>>> to deliver in the boards? If they are there then we should compile their
>>>>> cvs and give them to the nepotistic pastor. Which women would you recommend
>>>>> to Escom, poisons board, water boards, construction council tax. I don't
>>>>> think it is right to appoint Maria from bwandilo into the poisons board
>>>>> because she is a woman. This will breed malfeasance. This 50/50 should be
>>>>> considered as a process that we aim to achieve in the next 50 years than as
>>>>> a project that has a simple cut off date. Meanwhile we need to focus on
>>>>> underlying processes that will enable society achieve that goal. One
>>>>> brilliant idea I got from the net is abolishing these girls or boys
>>>>> secondary schools.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 07:08 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please just read the Constitution and the two Acts on the matter. The
>>>>>> law places no duty on the one whose right is violated; it places the duty
>>>>>> on a) the one appointing and b) recruiting to follow the Act. It puts no
>>>>>> duty on the appointee or recruit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The law creates a right for the appointee and recruit. The right of
>>>>>> either gender to a minimum of 40%, leaving the appointee to deal with
>>>>>> gender issues differently but not without derogation from the right with
>>>>>> the 20%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The correct formulation is F/M/FM
>>>>>> 40/40/20. So that if there is a chance for 50/50 and the appointer
>>>>>> and the recruiter, would be wrong to resort to 40/40/20. Where, therefore,
>>>>>> there are all women left, after the 40/40, the recruiter or appointee must
>>>>>> get the 20% from the female. Tge same applies to when male constitute the
>>>>>> last 20%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THIS IS BRILLIANT LEGISLATION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, 02:20 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Inu a Judge,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are always people who get wronged and never open cases in
>>>>>>> court for various reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The appointment of people took a long time and NGOs even complained.
>>>>>>> Any woman who was interested could have approached any of the 9 Tonse
>>>>>>> Alliance parties. They could have approached the 13 presidential advisors.
>>>>>>> Could have approached any of the NGOs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one can complain that you never considered their case if it
>>>>>>> didn't come to court. You even meet people who lose their jobs, houses etc
>>>>>>> in the street or in church. You can't give them judgement until their case
>>>>>>> is in court.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are making too many assumptions on this matter. Most prominent
>>>>>>> women have secure jobs which preclude them from taking other
>>>>>>> responsibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 23:35 Dunstain Mwaungulu, <
>>>>>>> dfmwaungulu at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we are having to  blame everything to avoid simple steps we
>>>>>>>> have to take. Thee are women there to fill 65 boards. 50%! Something just
>>>>>>>> got very wrong! It cannot be that the University of Malwi has produced less
>>>>>>>> than 300 women graduates in the past 10 years! You are kidding me?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 20:29 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A different perspective.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Botswana has always had co-education. Whether boarding or day
>>>>>>>>> schools. No seperate boys and girls schools.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Women hold very high positions as PSs, Directors, principals and
>>>>>>>>> deputy principals of tertiary institutions. They own big companies and
>>>>>>>>> businesses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the 80s women were already admitted to any programme at
>>>>>>>>> tertiary institutions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Co-education at all levels without exception was normal. It was
>>>>>>>>> weird to Nyasa people who grew up knowing girls and boys could not go to
>>>>>>>>> same boarding secondary schools.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if there was a boarding secondary school in Malawi
>>>>>>>>> where cooks were women. It has always been normal in Botswana with women
>>>>>>>>> cooks, chefs, taxi and combi drivers, drivers of huge 100 ton mine trucks
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The point is, our system creates gender inequality right from
>>>>>>>>> young age. Combine that with decades of women being told what to wear and
>>>>>>>>> not wear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know of any African country where women dancing for
>>>>>>>>> president was institutionalised like Malawi. Yes we popularised osunga
>>>>>>>>> mwambo and it is the very same phrase which is propagating inequality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The best way as it were is to start with both boy and girl child.
>>>>>>>>> Let them grow up together so that they can learn from early age how to
>>>>>>>>> treat each other with respect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tisamaone azimai ngati mitchini yopanga ana.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 14:29 Keyboard Boyd Kilembey, <
>>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have the same experience. A grace chavula. She was very bright.
>>>>>>>>>> She went to Lilongwe Girls. I went to Mitundu night. Next I hear she was at
>>>>>>>>>> Poly doing secretarial studies while I went to chanco doing general degree
>>>>>>>>>> ya mabwana. I still think she should have been a PS or vice chancellor of
>>>>>>>>>> Unima. Some study indeed needs to be undertaken
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, 11:16 KPD, <maluwakpd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I support the concept of equality and protection of
>>>>>>>>>>> women empowerment, the only Act of parliament I have seen is on GBV. On
>>>>>>>>>>> boards it is only Environment management Board that there is a stipulation
>>>>>>>>>>> on board composition.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want to create CIVSOC forum board, can women here raise their
>>>>>>>>>>> hand so that I I include them. If the board comprise KBK,TC, LN, SK, LN,
>>>>>>>>>>> CWG, some women somewhere will demonstrate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Zinthu za maquota maybe politically correct but it is up to us
>>>>>>>>>>> as individuals to stand up and be counted. Not because of our noise but our
>>>>>>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Inu azimai, don't normalise kumamenyedwa mapama. Don't normalise
>>>>>>>>>>> kumaumilizidwa kukhala house wife.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alice Namathanga, I don't know where she is, competed with me
>>>>>>>>>>> for position 1 in standard 7 at C.I in Blantyre. Next time ndinamva kuti ku
>>>>>>>>>>> secondary school sanapite or she got married. I felt like crying. Why do
>>>>>>>>>>> our girls drop by the way side?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We need some sort of conference, commission of inquiry or
>>>>>>>>>>> whatever to look and hardships faced by women from girl child to adult.
>>>>>>>>>>> This will allow for appropriate intervention.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Osangoti tizingopanga phokoso without dealing with the
>>>>>>>>>>> underlying issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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