[civsoc-mw] Governance prize from Chatham House

Sun Nov 1 12:59:34 CAT 2020

If they don't care then that is not the fault of mo Ibrahim, so you can't
fault Mo Ibrahim for that. Fault it on the greedy leaders. The last to get
I think was Rre Mogae of Botswana and that is almost 8 years ago.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, 12:56 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com> wrote:

> Keyboard,
>
> You think our leaders care about 5 million dollars, when they can
> commandeer their henchmen to import cement duty free! And there was one
> University in the United States which was offering sabbaticals to former
> presidents. May be APM should be offered one. He can complete is
> Latin/Chichewa dictionary over there.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2020, at 5:35 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Mr or Dr Limbani respect to you. You dwell on the peripheral issue name
> calling which I can say you are right . But what is your position on the
> matter of the judges getting an award? Mind you APM and chakwera were also
> given awards for almost the same issue albeit by a different institution
> and nobody trashed that. Trevor even trashed the No Ibrahim award. What is
> your position? He is Ethiopian, right?
>
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, 11:39 Limbani Nsapato, <lnsapato at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Colleagues,
>> I am following the language being used in recent posts, especially  of
>> the past two weeks beginning with one in which Martha Kwataine was being
>> congratulated following her appointment as Presidential Advisor on NGOs.
>> Sometimes the language is not respectful, as it focuses on individuals
>> rather than issues. I am sure we can debate on the merits and demerits of
>> the  award to the 5 Judges without calling each other names.
>>
>> I would like to suggest that we use language that everyone will be
>> comfortable with and motivate others to post on issues of policy and
>> development without attracting unnecessarily negative verbosity.
>>
>> Happy All Saints Day to Believers!
>>
>> Regards.
>> Limbani Nsapato
>>
>> Le 1 nov. 2020 à 07:52, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> a
>> écrit :
>>
>> 
>> These awards are not politicised. Why do you speak like a headless
>> Popeye? I asked you to explain whether your beef is the source of the
>> award. If the Law commission of Malawi or miss gave the award, would you be
>> against it? Who told you that judges don't deserve a pat on the back? They
>> are human after all. They are not stones
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 21:29 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am saying these kinds of awards are not meant for the judiciary. You
>>> are celebrating now because they came first. What if they were number 2 or
>>> 3.
>>>
>>> In our body politic, are they any more deserving than those “agitators
>>> and confusionists” that kept virgil as that fellow who wanted to steal
>>> their vote rushed to be sworn in and claim legitimacy while claiming
>>> falsely that the opposition wanted to bring chaos and civil war; than those
>>> lawyers who took a stab at challenging the outcome in the courts as people
>>> across the country listened an kept their hopes alive and braved the
>>> assault on their personal freedoms?
>>>
>>> Do you see how politicised this whole thing is? No different from that
>>> award from that Sudanese billionaire
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> What exactly is your problem? Is it that the award came from great
>>> Britain or that the judges don't need a positive stimuli? When you have
>>> kids coming late to school try giving those who come early some sweets. You
>>> will see a dramatic change for the better. Don't waste time whipping the
>>> late comers because over time they become used to being whipped. They would
>>> actually beg you to whip them in case you forget. The judges deserve a
>>> positive stimuli from whatever source.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 19:34 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>
>>>> Just pause, take a breath and reflect upon what you have written.
>>>>
>>>> This is not surprising of course, for someone who thinks being called
>>>> shithole countries is alright
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> They don't give these awards to their supreme courts because good
>>>> behaviour is already reinforced. But ours is different. Bad behaviour is
>>>> the norm. So when good behaviour is detected it becomes an abnorm. It
>>>> requires a reward. Over time you will see our justice system will align
>>>> itself to good behaviours.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 17:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kodi umayesa kukhala judge ndi masewera eti. Just check the
>>>>> requirements under our constitution. Reward for good behaviour my foot.
>>>>> These folks cannot dare to give such an award to their own Supreme Court I
>>>>> can tell you. It shakes the very foundations upon which the judiciary is
>>>>> founded: its independence.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is good to reward good behaviour. Such awards reinforce good
>>>>> behaviour. I am sure there could be magistrates and judges in other
>>>>> countries who have been motivated by such an awards. Doing good becomes
>>>>> second nature like using tooth brush in the morning. The judges, though
>>>>> they were doing their job, deserve a commendation. They did their job in a
>>>>> good way. They could have chosen to do the same job in a bad way. Law or
>>>>> justice is not an exact science. The 200 cars case should remind you of
>>>>> what I am trying to say
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:33 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not commenting on the facts of that case. I have not read or
>>>>>> heard enough to know what is happening in the courtroom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remain skeptical of awarding judges any awards about governance
>>>>>> (corruption before fact and corruption after the fact deserve equal
>>>>>> opprobrium!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The fact is judge tembo had no proof that anybody was receiving a
>>>>>> bribe. He should have restricted himself on the transactions or
>>>>>> conversations between himself and Mpinganjira. Hey I thought lawyers or
>>>>>> judges would be judicious with legal facts. Now we know brown was the
>>>>>> conduit thanks to this excited judge. I thought you would condemn such
>>>>>> conjecture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:17 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not mentioned any name. I do not know why you decided to
>>>>>>> mention Lovemore. The fact that we have a case such as this is scandal
>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a little familiarity with the politics of awards...I stopped
>>>>>>> a long ago celebrating them. And please do not dare to offer me one. I will
>>>>>>> refuse it in your face.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On Oct 31, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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