[civsoc-mw] Governance prize from Chatham House

Sun Nov 1 12:34:53 CAT 2020

Mr or Dr Limbani respect to you. You dwell on the peripheral issue name
calling which I can say you are right . But what is your position on the
matter of the judges getting an award? Mind you APM and chakwera were also
given awards for almost the same issue albeit by a different institution
and nobody trashed that. Trevor even trashed the No Ibrahim award. What is
your position? He is Ethiopian, right?

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, 11:39 Limbani Nsapato, <lnsapato at gmail.com> wrote:

> Colleagues,
> I am following the language being used in recent posts, especially  of the
> past two weeks beginning with one in which Martha Kwataine was being
> congratulated following her appointment as Presidential Advisor on NGOs.
> Sometimes the language is not respectful, as it focuses on individuals
> rather than issues. I am sure we can debate on the merits and demerits of
> the  award to the 5 Judges without calling each other names.
>
> I would like to suggest that we use language that everyone will be
> comfortable with and motivate others to post on issues of policy and
> development without attracting unnecessarily negative verbosity.
>
> Happy All Saints Day to Believers!
>
> Regards.
> Limbani Nsapato
>
> Le 1 nov. 2020 à 07:52, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
> 
> These awards are not politicised. Why do you speak like a headless Popeye?
> I asked you to explain whether your beef is the source of the award. If the
> Law commission of Malawi or miss gave the award, would you be against it?
> Who told you that judges don't deserve a pat on the back? They are human
> after all. They are not stones
>
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 21:29 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>
>>
>> I am saying these kinds of awards are not meant for the judiciary. You
>> are celebrating now because they came first. What if they were number 2 or
>> 3.
>>
>> In our body politic, are they any more deserving than those “agitators
>> and confusionists” that kept virgil as that fellow who wanted to steal
>> their vote rushed to be sworn in and claim legitimacy while claiming
>> falsely that the opposition wanted to bring chaos and civil war; than those
>> lawyers who took a stab at challenging the outcome in the courts as people
>> across the country listened an kept their hopes alive and braved the
>> assault on their personal freedoms?
>>
>> Do you see how politicised this whole thing is? No different from that
>> award from that Sudanese billionaire
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What exactly is your problem? Is it that the award came from great
>> Britain or that the judges don't need a positive stimuli? When you have
>> kids coming late to school try giving those who come early some sweets. You
>> will see a dramatic change for the better. Don't waste time whipping the
>> late comers because over time they become used to being whipped. They would
>> actually beg you to whip them in case you forget. The judges deserve a
>> positive stimuli from whatever source.
>>
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 19:34 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>
>>> Just pause, take a breath and reflect upon what you have written.
>>>
>>> This is not surprising of course, for someone who thinks being called
>>> shithole countries is alright
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> They don't give these awards to their supreme courts because good
>>> behaviour is already reinforced. But ours is different. Bad behaviour is
>>> the norm. So when good behaviour is detected it becomes an abnorm. It
>>> requires a reward. Over time you will see our justice system will align
>>> itself to good behaviours.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 17:37 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>
>>>> Kodi umayesa kukhala judge ndi masewera eti. Just check the
>>>> requirements under our constitution. Reward for good behaviour my foot.
>>>> These folks cannot dare to give such an award to their own Supreme Court I
>>>> can tell you. It shakes the very foundations upon which the judiciary is
>>>> founded: its independence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> It is good to reward good behaviour. Such awards reinforce good
>>>> behaviour. I am sure there could be magistrates and judges in other
>>>> countries who have been motivated by such an awards. Doing good becomes
>>>> second nature like using tooth brush in the morning. The judges, though
>>>> they were doing their job, deserve a commendation. They did their job in a
>>>> good way. They could have chosen to do the same job in a bad way. Law or
>>>> justice is not an exact science. The 200 cars case should remind you of
>>>> what I am trying to say
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:33 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not commenting on the facts of that case. I have not read or
>>>>> heard enough to know what is happening in the courtroom.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remain skeptical of awarding judges any awards about governance
>>>>> (corruption before fact and corruption after the fact deserve equal
>>>>> opprobrium!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> The fact is judge tembo had no proof that anybody was receiving a
>>>>> bribe. He should have restricted himself on the transactions or
>>>>> conversations between himself and Mpinganjira. Hey I thought lawyers or
>>>>> judges would be judicious with legal facts. Now we know brown was the
>>>>> conduit thanks to this excited judge. I thought you would condemn such
>>>>> conjecture.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 15:17 trevor chimimba, <trevorchimimba at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Iwe Keyboard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have not mentioned any name. I do not know why you decided to
>>>>>> mention Lovemore. The fact that we have a case such as this is scandal
>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a little familiarity with the politics of awards...I stopped a
>>>>>> long ago celebrating them. And please do not dare to offer me one. I will
>>>>>> refuse it in your face.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Oct 31, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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