[civsoc-mw] Update 04 received results and main tally centre

Fri Jun 26 09:20:50 CAT 2020

Prof I am not sure I understand you. All I am saying is that black has to
redeem itself. Dont ask me wjy white should not redeem. It is not necessary
to answer that at this moment. There is no time to answer. Talk and
academic presentations will not extirpated how black is viewed. It needs to
be done through deeds. I don't know if American blacks understand this
simple fact of life.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, 09:14 Adamson S. Muula, <amuula at medcol.mw> wrote:

> Dear Keyboard,
>
> You call for multiple view, liberal thoughts and yet you close by calling
> for a stop on academic rhetoric. Using your frame, some of us then would be
> let to embrace academic rhetoric. Or you don't think so?
>
> adamson
>
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 09:11, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <kkilembe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I used "white in black skins" to describe the CZ people in the context of
>> chirunga slang. I did not mean to imply the other people are
>> backward.Personally I don't think people or colours are guilty by
>> association. There are good blacks out thete. And there are also white
>> thugs out there. The fact remains that if Dr Carson was walking in Beijing
>> or London he would be perceived as likely to rob or mug an old lady. That
>> is what we need to be dealing with not academic rhetoric .
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, 09:02 Foster Gondwe, <fostergondwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Keyboard,
>>>
>>> I also joined Prof. Muula's question regarding the association between
>>> 'white' and civilization, or black and backwardness.  You are right to
>>> suggest that concepts are relational; for instance, a thing we call 'black'
>>> is not 'black' because we call it so. And, what is black from where I stand
>>> may not be black through your lens. But, by describing the 'Chiradzuluans'
>>> as whites because of their 'good' conduct while qualifying those 'not from
>>> Chiradzulu' as black because of their backwardness certainly perpetuates
>>> the very same narrative of duality that you wish to let go. I therefore
>>> find it difficult to 'make black excite the human kind'!😂😂
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:41 PM Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure doc. Words excite us differently. Why is it that black always
>>>> arouses bad feelings? Maybe the conversation should be on how we can make
>>>> black excite human kind to think about ice cream and chocolate. That can
>>>> not be achieved by shouting or trying to define black on paper but through
>>>> deeds. That is the challenge. Describing me won't work. I am surprised that
>>>> you still look at issues in terms of right or wrong. The fact is blackness
>>>> is associated with evilness. It is not about being wrong or right. In fact
>>>> it doesn't help to pass a verdict of such perception. Our pre occupation is
>>>> how we can make black be perceived otherwise
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, 08:18 Adamson S. Muula, <amuula at medcol.mw> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Keyboard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am among who raised this. But we may have misinterpreted what you
>>>>> said. But this is how I had understood it:
>>>>> 1. Whiteness= good, admirable, desirable;
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Blackness= bad, tainted, ill-will
>>>>>
>>>>> If that is the same meaning you had used the terms, then of course we
>>>>> would differ/ and would not even matter for me what Chanco said. You are
>>>>> right that these terms are/were used. I heard them too when I was a student
>>>>> at Chirunga but they are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> adamson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 08:05, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I knew it would be a matter a matter of time before this thing
>>>>>> becomes political. In the college college that God loved the most, Trevor
>>>>>> and Stan will vouch if they still remember,  it was common to label people
>>>>>> as a white man in a black skin or as a black man in a white skin. Some
>>>>>> people will find offense in both terms for a reason. Their hatred of white,
>>>>>> and love for black knows no bounds. At least one of the above ought to give
>>>>>> a good feeling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, 01:31 Abbas Panjwani, <ibc.malawi at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sad that we still consider WHITE PEOPLE as being the benchmark to
>>>>>>> measure against...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Need I remind us of the situation in the US where the White PEOPLE
>>>>>>> are behave so BLACK... if we are to use the same anology....
>>>>>>> Or maybe how the WHITE SKIN HEADS and the like of WHITE Borris in
>>>>>>> England and WHITE Trump in the UK ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then we have the likes of OBAMA and MANDELA who saved our
>>>>>>> reputation by being WHITE PEOPLE... Like the great people of CZ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WE ARE SO LUCKY IN MALAWI THAT WE ARE FREE FROM COLONISATION AND
>>>>>>> WERE LIBERATED BY THE LATE KAMUZU BANDA WHO FORTUNATELY WAS LIKE THE WHITE
>>>>>>> PEOPLE..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BUT WE HAVE IT THEM .. I MEAN THE WHITE PEOPLE
>>>>>>> THEY GAVE US OUR 'FREEDOM'  AND COLONISED OUR MINDS...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AMAZING
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020, 10:25 Adamson S. Muula, <amuula at medcol.mw>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obviously not. But the whiteness was my question. Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> adamson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 08:17, Keyboard Boyd Kilembey <
>>>>>>>> kkilembe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 8:11 AM Adamson S. Muula <amuula at medcol.mw>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean white people?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cultured. Civilised. Considerate. Full of humanity. Dont tell me
>>>>>>>>> those thugs who petrol bombed and killed people in area 23 or the nyau
>>>>>>>>> dancers have these attributes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> PGDip (Global Health), PGD (Palliative Care)
>>>>> Professor of Epidemiology and Public Health
>>>>> University of Malawi, College of Medicine
>>>>> School of Public Health and Family Medicine
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> Adamson S. Muula PhD, MPH, MBBS, CPH, PGDip (Public Health Ethics), PGDip
> (Global Health), PGD (Palliative Care)
> Professor of Epidemiology and Public Health
> University of Malawi, College of Medicine
> School of Public Health and Family Medicine
> Department of Public Health
> Chimutu Building Room 850
> Private Bag 360, Chichiri
> Blantyre 3
> Malawi
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