[Civsoc-mw] Fwd: You posting

[Louis Nthenda]

All my family members in UK voted for Remain and even signed a petition for
a second referendum to reverse Brexit. But Brexit is here to stay. The
world trend is for regional integration and the decline of the nation state
as we have known it so far. Reactionaries are an inevitable part of the
trend.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Diana Cammack <cammack at mweb.co.za> wrote:

> I sure hope you are right! But I have family on the Left who are dead set
> against Brexit too (Lexit)… see it as a capitalist-men’s club. d
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> *From:* Civsoc-mw [mailto:civsoc-mw-bounces at sdnp.org.mw] *On Behalf Of *Louis
> Nthenda
> *Sent:* 24 May 2017 16:18
> *To:* civsoc-mw at sdnp.org.mw
> *Cc:* NYASANET at listserv.icors.org
> *Subject:* [Civsoc-mw] Fwd: You posting
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> Brexit is just one setback. Is it fatal to the trend of EU-nisation? I
> don't think so. Lessons will be learned.and each region will come up with
> versions with local colour and flavour. The nation-state of national
> sovereignty that has been the unit of the international system since
> Westphalia (1648) is coming to a close. The EU system of regional
> integration - for lack of a better word - with new concepts of sovereignty
> is a worldwide force, a manifestation of the spirit of our time on every
> continent. Trump's America First and Brexit are temporary area reactions to
> this fundamental movement of the times. Not fatal. West Africa has ECOWAS;
> there is SADC, ASEAN, etc, a juggernaut genie that can't be stopped, that's
> already out of the bottle. .
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> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Diana Cammack <cammack at mweb.co.za> wrote:
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> I hope you do better than the EU is doing! Sad, sad Brexit. ☹
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> *From:* Louis Nthenda [mailto:louisnthenda at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 24 May 2017 12:27
> *To:* Diana Cammack <cammack at mweb.co.za>
> *Subject:* Re: You posting
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> We Malawians were familiar with the two Rhodesias. We had been working on
> their farms and mines for generations. Opposition to federation even in
> remote villages was based on intimate knowledge.
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> The idea of a federation now (to include Mozambique) is not a non-starter.
> But it has been overtaken by events. The framework for closer union is
> already there, under SADC protocols. There is enough general acceptance
> under this framework and it's bound to continue developing. Will it all end
> up as a federation? Unlikely. As some copy of EU. More likely.
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> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Diana Cammack <cammack at mweb.co.za> wrote:
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> Your views Louis are very much the same as Kamuzu’s statements about
> Federation, and the reason why he fought against it. He did not want
> racialism imposed any wider than it already was, and wanted Nyasaland taken
> out of the agreement.
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> That said, the economics of the grouping can be evaluated separately, and
> can be in the current time where the politics are very different. (You’d
> have to think whether it would be good for Malawians to be united, in any
> form, with the *present* regimes in Zambia and Zimbabwe though, and that
> is something worthy of debate!) What sort of ‘federation’-like economic
> ‘union’ would benefit Mw, if thrown together with any of its larger
> neighbours? How would that help Mw, and how would the politics in the other
> countries influence Mw’s politics? A larger market for Mw’s goods and its
> labour? Investment from its neighbours? Etc. Or is the idea a non-starter
> from the beginning?
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> *From:* Louis Nthenda [mailto:louisnthenda at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 24 May 2017 11:44
> *To:* Diana Cammack <cammack at mweb.co.za>
> *Subject:* You posting
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> Dear Diana,
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> Can you send me the posting you just put up? It went to spam and I
> inadvertently deleted it unopened.  Please.
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> Cheers
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> Louis
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