[Civsoc-mw] Married Men Could Be Roman Catholic Priests.

[Dunstain Mwaungulu]

Celibacy will remain as a calling, just like marriage, Baseberi. It is God ordained. Married, like the celibates, make mistakes, even commit crimes, such as rape (marital rape, included). We have not abandoned marriage, despite our failure to abide by the calling. Celibacy will survive and evolve, for those called. Even marriage is under assault - it is not safe. After all, it is us, men, who first acknowledged that because of (holiness) strictures. 

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Subject: RE: Married Men Could Be Roman Catholic Priests.

Baseberi,
 
I get your point.
 
This Pope, by his pronouncement also means that celibacy is no longer necessary for one to be a priest. He is surely a pope of NO double standards. So new priests can marry either before or after being ordained, if we take what the pope has said in the broader context. Celibacy may no longer apply. Only the pope must come out in the open and say it. After all, what it means is that in order to be a priest, one need not be celibate.
 
If Pope Francis categorically says that  “Let the Church grow. Those wishing to be priests need not be celibate”. This will also be bound in heaven.
 
Logic has it that by soliciting for married men to be priests in order to further the interests and growth of the Catholic Church, the doctrine of celibacy is no longer a requirement for one to be a priest.
 
One also wonders why women are barred from being Catholic priests.
 
I don’t see why Your Lordship are adamant. Let the church come to grips with the realities on the ground as the pope  has found out and so has taken corrective remedies to grapple with shortages of priests.
 
What will be the relationship between married priests and celibate priests. Will there be a Council for married  priests and another for celibate priests.
 
Already there are two Roman Catholic Churches. One is the Traditional Catholic Church which refused to use any other language than Latin in its sermons, and the other is what you belong to. In Zimbabwe these are running parallel to each other.
 
I have a lot of respect for the Catholic Church, as a church.
 
BUT I don’t agree with some of its liturgical dogma.
 
Mzee. 
 
Ba Justice Dunstain Mwaungulu wrote:
The Lord, who I quote, was talking in religious and spiritual power. His kingdom is not of this world for which it is its light and salt. The Pope speaks ex cathedra in a college of bishops - in spiritual and religious matters. Those of us who investigate the religious and spiritual discourse say that on the matter of celibacy, the Lord spoke, the church spoke, the church can speak again. Celibacy and marriage are matters of choice. After all, when you read the gospel account, celibacy was preferred by the disciples (including, apostles). The Lord is the one who calmed it. There are men and women to who celibacy is a choice and vacation. There are also men and women to who marriage is a choice and vacation. Those of us who marry break our choice and vacation; celibates also do likewise. We have never advocated abandonment of marriage because we break our vows; we cannot do that for celibates. The church today, through the bishopric and the Holy Father can agree on marriage and celibacy - that will be bound in heaven. I do not look at the temporal things you talk about, because I perceive that, just like in my personal spiritual and religious walk, the church corporate and corpus can make mistakes and has made mistakes. The lessons are learnt. That the church did what it did in history is a brutal fact; the church does not repeat the mistakes, it will face new and future mistakes. The church soldiers on!



Mzee Kachale wrote:
My worry is that due to too much radicalism, Pope Francis may end up being murdered by his fellows at the Vatican who may not agree with him.
 
Mzee.
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